Earlier quoted context omitted.
And they've been around for years. You can see a copy of that last image (3rd in the gallery) from 2017 at https://web.archive.org/web/20170707052808/https://www.ship-... and at https://newatlas.com/stad-ship-tunnel-interview-terje-andrea... . A copy of the first image in the gallery is at https://dozr.com/blog/stad-ship-tunnel dated 2021. Edit: ahhh, 2017 and 2021 were the previous two big announcements about the tu…
Heh, it's kind of funny to see how many things are called AI that aren't AI, remember that when we see discussions in HN saying articles are AI or replies are AI. It's memeable in many cases. P1 "AI pictures are bad" P2 "But AI was trained on human pictures" [Human picture]
Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel
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Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel
#42FTA: Norway will start building the first full-size ship tunnel in the world And “Full-size” means what? Sea-faring? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_tunnel lists several tunnels that ships can pass through, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rove_Tunnel , to me, seems to have supported decently sized ships.
Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel
#43That's a pretty metal approach to navigation. Despite being missing from the AI rendering, I really hope they are going to put big breakwaters around the tunnel entrances - the last thing you want is a storm swell entering your tunnel...
See map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stad_Ship_Tunnel#/media/File:S...>.
That said, I'm not finding any discussions of the hydrodynamics of the tunnel, other than this: "Ship Manoeuvring Study of a Vessel Transiting a Ship Tunnel", by Andrew Ross, Anne Bruyat, Leiv Aspelund, Vahid Hassani, and Abushet Simanesew (2024) https://asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/OMAE/proceedings-abst...>.
Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel
#44FTA: Norway will start building the first full-size ship tunnel in the world And “Full-size” means what? Sea-faring? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_tunnel lists several tunnels that ships can pass through, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rove_Tunnel , to me, seems to have supported decently sized ships.
There's no solid definition of "boat" versus "ship", but those are clearly a different scale.
Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel
#45FTA: Norway will start building the first full-size ship tunnel in the world And “Full-size” means what? Sea-faring? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_tunnel lists several tunnels that ships can pass through, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rove_Tunnel , to me, seems to have supported decently sized ships.
The Rove Tunnel was designed for canal boats and barges, not ships. From a 1928 article:
"Barges are built for quiet waters, so their masters have looked with alarm at the prospect of taking them through the Mediterranean waves 25 miles from Marseille to the mouth of the Rhone. The new canal, after permitting barges to pass through the mountain, admits them to the Etang de Berre and thence to a canal which joins the Rhone at the famous old Roman town of Arles, 49 miles to the north" - https://archive.org/details/sim_national-geographic-school-b...
The desire for sheltered waters means these vessels were boats, not ships.
Looking through old articles and you'll see descriptions like "The 4½-mile Rove Tunnel floats barges and small boats" (https://archive.org/details/sim_national-geographic-school-b...) and " this tunnel will allow passage of river boats that previously found it practically impossible to negotiate the 30-mile sea trip from the mouth of the Rhone to Marseilles." (https://archive.org/details/sim_scientific-american_1928-01_...) but I found no mention of ships using the canal.
That said, "If you own a vessel in the UK that you intend to go to sea with" and the boat is "less than 24 metres in length overall" then you can register it in the UK Small Ship's Register (https://ukshipregister.co.uk/registration/small-ships-regist...), which technically means that something described as a "ship" could have gone through the canal.
But that's not really what people generally mean by ship.
Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel
#46FTA: Norway will start building the first full-size ship tunnel in the world And “Full-size” means what? Sea-faring? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_tunnel lists several tunnels that ships can pass through, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rove_Tunnel , to me, seems to have supported decently sized ships.
There's no solid definition of "boat" versus "ship", but those are clearly a different scale.
Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel
#47That's kind of cool. Norway also has roundabouts in tunnels. I guess they like tunnels.
Most of the Norway's Western coast (basically the extent of the country) is mountainous so building infrastructure there inevitably involves blasting the rock. At the same time the country is huge, bigger than Germany or the UK. So naturally a lot of tunnels. This one a bit special: most of the boat traffic through it are meant to be ferries so it is to be commissioned and managed by the National Road Authority. At t…
Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel
#48Only 4 years of work to be ready? That sounds pretty optimistic ( crying in German )
Ask a Norwegian to dig a tunnel and they will turn into a gopher on meth. We are the undisputed champions of tunnels in terms of tunnel density. Show us a piece of rock and we'll put a big hole in it. However. Ask a Norwegian to fix a piece of road and you will be staring at a hole in the ground for 4 years while people will take turns leaning on a shovel in that hole while surrounded by at least 4 different categori…
Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ask a Norwegian to dig a tunnel and they will turn into a gopher on meth. We are the undisputed champions of tunnels in terms of tunnel density. Show us a piece of rock and we'll put a big hole in it. However. Ask a Norwegian to fix a piece of road and you will be staring at a hole in the ground for 4 years while people will take turns leaning on a shovel in that hole while surrounded by at least 4 different categori…
So just ask Norwegians to dig tunnels around the broken road, duh.
Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel
#50FTA: Norway will start building the first full-size ship tunnel in the world And “Full-size” means what? Sea-faring? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_tunnel lists several tunnels that ships can pass through, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rove_Tunnel , to me, seems to have supported decently sized ships.
From Wikipedia:
Rove:
Length - 7,120 metres (23,360 ft) long
Clearance - 15 m (49 ft)
Width - 22 m (72 ft)
Stad: Length - 1800 metres
Clearance - 49 metres
Width - 37 metres
Boat-passable - 16 metres
Depth of tunnel below water level - 12 metres