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Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Reminds of Chris Lemons, who survived for 30+ minutes without oxygen at the bottom of the North Sea. Cold water (and experience, like staying calm) probably played a large part. He went back to diving a few weeks after!

They made a movie about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Breath_(2019_film)

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exacerbated by astonishing overuse for anything from a 2-minute endoscopy to a 15-minute hand surgery. The pursuit of “comfort” at the cost of fractional lobotomy.

You're suggesting people undergo endoscopy without anesthesia? You go first, bud.

I've done it (it's standard in many countries). Honestly, it's a bit horrifying because you are completely at the mercy of someone else but it's bearable. Colonoscopy is definitely easier.

My only experience with global anesthesia was as a child waking up with a massive asthma attack unable to breathe so I try to avoid it.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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I'd be curious to read about 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 year follow-up. Party pooper warning. I'm afraid I don't have rose tinted glasses, due to personal experience with a family member with TBI (accident at age 16, 3 weeks in a coma). The aftereffects are profoundly destabilizing to his environment. I sometimes have quite a dark view of people's need to be a rescuer and celebrate the "alive!", when they don't have to deal wit…

I have a similar view on general anesthesia now, everyone i know(including myself) that has had operations have been permanently affected by anesthesia. Turning yourself off breaks far more than doctors realize i fear.

Evidence?

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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I'd be curious to read about 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 year follow-up. Party pooper warning. I'm afraid I don't have rose tinted glasses, due to personal experience with a family member with TBI (accident at age 16, 3 weeks in a coma). The aftereffects are profoundly destabilizing to his environment. I sometimes have quite a dark view of people's need to be a rescuer and celebrate the "alive!", when they don't have to deal wit…

The paper has the warning phrased differently. "He can at least be an organ donor", basically, in the summary.

Your comment and the thread it started helps me a little with dealing with a close person's father's dementia.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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I remember that cryogenesis was deemed viable in the 80ies but essentially surface area is your enemy. Anything larger than a cat can’t be resurrected. It’s pretty bizarre really, they froze mice and microwaved them back to life.

Weird! I wonder if there is some exponential complexity going on. More neural pathways leaving more stuff that can potentially break from an uneven freeze/thaw? Or is it literally that the freezing and thawing can't happen evenly when you're too big? A brief transistional period with unfrozen outsides and frozen solid insides is probably not great for you.

> Or is it literally that the freezing and thawing can't happen evenly when you're too big?

This. You literally can’t evaporate all the thawing agent out of the blood of the organism without substantial burns by sheer volume

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a similar view on general anesthesia now, everyone i know(including myself) that has had operations have been permanently affected by anesthesia. Turning yourself off breaks far more than doctors realize i fear.

Evidence?

there is litterature on that. you need to assume that no medical intervention has no effect, by default.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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I'd be curious to read about 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 year follow-up. Party pooper warning. I'm afraid I don't have rose tinted glasses, due to personal experience with a family member with TBI (accident at age 16, 3 weeks in a coma). The aftereffects are profoundly destabilizing to his environment. I sometimes have quite a dark view of people's need to be a rescuer and celebrate the "alive!", when they don't have to deal wit…

The paper has the warning phrased differently. "He can at least be an organ donor", basically, in the summary. Your comment and the thread it started helps me a little with dealing with a close person's father's dementia.

When Breath Becomes Air was a great book that seems relevant here

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exacerbated by astonishing overuse for anything from a 2-minute endoscopy to a 15-minute hand surgery. The pursuit of “comfort” at the cost of fractional lobotomy.

You're suggesting people undergo endoscopy without anesthesia? You go first, bud.

very common. doing it routinely. you never heard of it?

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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I'd be curious to read about 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 year follow-up. Party pooper warning. I'm afraid I don't have rose tinted glasses, due to personal experience with a family member with TBI (accident at age 16, 3 weeks in a coma). The aftereffects are profoundly destabilizing to his environment. I sometimes have quite a dark view of people's need to be a rescuer and celebrate the "alive!", when they don't have to deal wit…

I have a similar view on general anesthesia now, everyone i know(including myself) that has had operations have been permanently affected by anesthesia. Turning yourself off breaks far more than doctors realize i fear.

Anesthesiologist here: what you are referring to exists, but is rare and is not related to general anesthesia (equally likely in operations performed while patients are awake with regional anesthesia or under general anesthesia). It is more people with pre-existing cognitive dysfunction that are elderly do not handle the inflammatory milieu generated by surgery. You can Google “postoperative cognitive dysfunction” for more information.

Any phenomenon more widespread than the above is simply not supported by scientific studies to date.

I’m honestly a bit disappointed to find this comment on hacker news, as I feel the level of discourse here is usually higher. I wish you all the best and hope you recover from whatever you’re experiencing, but this is frankly fearmongering.

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