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Anthropic flies staff to D.C. to clean up White House fight

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Re: Anthropic flies staff to D.C. to clean up White House fight

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Post by stult »

benjiro29 wrote: post #26
chasil wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, ITAR regulations for export controls have just been applied to any form of Mythos. These are overseen by U.S. Departments of State and Commerce, and forbid foreign nationals from access to any form of Mythos, either within or outside the U.S. Only U.S. citizens and immigrants that are holders of a "green card" may now access Mythos. It appears that Anthropic does not have internal controls to impl…

> Only U.S. citizens and immigrants that are holders of a "green card" may now access Mythos. It was my understanding that not even green card holders may access Mythos. Normally when restrictions like this are put in place, you need a exemption as a green card holder. A geen card is just a permit to live and work in the US. Its not the same as citizenship. > Security Clearance: Green Card holders are generally prohi…

That's not true. ITAR and security clearance are entirely separate regulatory regimes. For ITAR purposes, being a permanent resident is good enough. I used to work for a defense contractor, and we hired plenty of green card holders. They were not in general assigned to work that required a clearance, but plenty of defense-sensitive, ITAR-controlled work is done by green card holders.

Re: Anthropic flies staff to D.C. to clean up White House fight

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Post by DaSHacka »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #25

Anthropic: "Our new models are so mighty and dangerous, we'll limit access." US admin: "Thanks for the warning, we'll do the same then" This was an epic (and deserved) own-goal. ( btw heres what most likely happened, they refused to fix a jailbreak: https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2065853007619588171 )

Yep, hard to feel bad when the whole reason they're in this mess is because they tried to introduce FYD about their own product as an argument why open models need to be banned.

Re: Anthropic flies staff to D.C. to clean up White House fight

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Post by felipeerias »

chasil wrote: post #15
gregoriol wrote: post #4

They should fly staff to EU instead

As I understand it, ITAR regulations for export controls have just been applied to any form of Mythos. These are overseen by U.S. Departments of State and Commerce, and forbid foreign nationals from access to any form of Mythos, either within or outside the U.S. Only U.S. citizens and immigrants that are holders of a "green card" may now access Mythos. It appears that Anthropic does not have internal controls to impl…

Were those ITAR export controls chosen because they really are the most appropriate tool for this particular case, or because they could be deployed at a very short notice?

Re: Anthropic flies staff to D.C. to clean up White House fight

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Post by piva00 »

throwaway132448 wrote: post #35
petesergeant wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Amodei has always been and always will be a creep Like at what point do the weird and random Amodei smears start to seem like an orchestrated attempt?

They’re not weird or random when you’ve lived around many people like him before. Apparently not enough of us have unfortunately, so you keep elevating them when you should know better. So here I am trying to give you a heads up.

Unfortunately it's not widely distributed information, if you care so much about shedding a light on Amodei's shadiness it would help a lot folks like me to understand what you are talking about.

I know of Sam Altman's shenanigans from way before OpenAI (I used to be on reddit a lot more when `sama` appeared over there) but I have no idea about Amodei.

Help us out because otherwise it really does read as yet another conspiracy theory on the internet.

Re: Anthropic flies staff to D.C. to clean up White House fight

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Post by bushido »

Anecdotally, I think this is a much bigger cleanup than just talking to the administration.

I think there's a wider damage done which there is no coming back from. And this is for the USA, not Anthropic.

The chance that sovereignty and rules such as this could be applied to AI was a concern that a lot of people had, but the risk was unknown.

Speaking for myself, I had guessed this would happen at some point of time. I was expecting/hoping it'd be years away.

However given the events in the last few days it greatly increases my concern with building any product which can depend on an on an API which could go away for a number of my customers.

I've been experimenting with other open weight models hosted in favorable sovereign countries for a few months, but this accelerates something which was an experiment to now being a must-have.

I don't think it is going to be easy for any of the parties to repair this easily.

Re: Anthropic flies staff to D.C. to clean up White House fight

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Post by khalic »

pera wrote: post #22
letmetweakit wrote: post #10

Nothing a few million dollars here and there can't fix ...

Kissing the ring also helps - I won't be surprised if Anthropic's next model goes full MAGA

I don’t know, for all the bad people say about Amodei, everybody seem convinced he’d rather burn his company than let something like that happen

Re: Anthropic flies staff to D.C. to clean up White House fight

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Post by maccam912 »

ben4next wrote: post #37
Atreiden wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring the whataboutism here, what about it was distasteful? Please see HN rule #1, this is not the community for that kind of discourse.

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The UFC athletes were also topless...

Re: Anthropic flies staff to D.C. to clean up White House fight

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Post by brookst »

pera wrote: post #22
letmetweakit wrote: post #10

Nothing a few million dollars here and there can't fix ...

Kissing the ring also helps - I won't be surprised if Anthropic's next model goes full MAGA

Cheaper and less harmful to long-term and international prospects to just make a gold-plated “AI Peace Prize” award and gift it in some ceremony. Couple of hundred thousand dollars, works great. Ask Tim Apple.

Re: Anthropic flies staff to D.C. to clean up White House fight

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Post by chasil »

felipeerias wrote: post #44
chasil wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, ITAR regulations for export controls have just been applied to any form of Mythos. These are overseen by U.S. Departments of State and Commerce, and forbid foreign nationals from access to any form of Mythos, either within or outside the U.S. Only U.S. citizens and immigrants that are holders of a "green card" may now access Mythos. It appears that Anthropic does not have internal controls to impl…

Were those ITAR export controls chosen because they really are the most appropriate tool for this particular case, or because they could be deployed at a very short notice?

Mythos was advertised as being able to do massive damage to IT systems over government and the private sector.

How could restriction not be appropriate.

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