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Re: Human Routers of Machine Words

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Post by layer8 »

zetalyrae wrote: post #9
lawgimenez wrote: post #7

> because if you use AI to write, you are a waste of biomass Damn, that is so hurtful. I'm sorry if English is my third language. But for my project documents I would love to read it like a proper documentation so I'm thankful for AI.

Translation is fine.

It’s a crutch, it’s rarely as good as from an experienced translator or native speaker, and often distorts the original to some extent. It can be the lesser evil when someone doesn’t know the language well, but it still tends to be a subpar experience.

Re: Human Routers of Machine Words

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Post by adampunk »

kubanczyk wrote: post #35
altmanaltman wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I don't know. I mean the author says only smart people can write good. And then says anyone who uses AI to write is basically giving up their genetalia so that Anthropic's AI model could make love to your wife (apparently without her consent because you can obviously just decide who has sex with your wife). The author should learn how to write properly and communicate ideas in a less sexist and disgusting way if…

> you can obviously just decide who has sex with your wife That's your fantasies, not author's. He merely implied that one can obviously decide whom to allow to fuck one's wife. He hasn't implied that wife's consent is unnecessary or automatic.

Don't be obtuse.

Re: Human Routers of Machine Words

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Post by altcognito »

NateEag wrote: post #40
altcognito wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only everyones authentic self-expression were so important to hear, to say nothing of unique and inciteful. I'm not against authentic self-expression, but this is more about being wrapped up in ones own self-importance.

The only way people will get to self-expression that's worth hearing is by working their way through the self-expression that wasn't. In a better world that would happen in school and as a normal part of growing up, but at least in the US, that mostly doesn't happen. If humans use LLMs to write, it's much more likely they will never uncover the unique perspectives they could share with the world. So, for those whose…

We also probably need to lower our standards somewhat, if not for the only reason to allow ourselves to grow.

One of the best and worst things to ever happen to self-expression was the internet. While it exposes us to so many new ways of thinking, it can also be repressive in so many ways, not to mentions limits many of us from engaging with those in the immediate area. Also it holds onto our worst outputs forever!

You might see why I really like the point about embracing imperfect communication and expression for so many reasons.

I think it's fine to strongly reject non-human communication for certain (maybe even many purposes), but there are a lot of "production" type situations (boilerplate code, CRUD systems) that don't require a human grinding away at it, and humanity benefits from using it's time more wisely. Defining what is "intellectual" work versus this "repetitive" work is kinda tough, and it is probably different for everyone. There is a certain amount of grinding necessary, and some move through it faster than others.

In any case, thanks for the response.

Re: Human Routers of Machine Words

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Post by drdaeman »

fwlr wrote: post #25
drdaeman wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tastelessness aside, it also shows that author doesn’t (or refuses to) understand why someone may decide to delegate a documentation task to a subpar agent. Laziness. Yes, conceptually it’s something about surrendering one’s voice and agency to a subpar machine. Or something like that. (Though that persistence-suggestive neutering metaphor is probably a unwarranted exaggeration.) In practice though it’s more like “I…

Arguably, someone who has chosen to replace their own human expression with machine words has already dehumanized themselves - although this is perhaps a too-literal reading the word “dehumanized”?

> who has chosen

I very explicitly tried to separate this third-party perception and actual first-party intent. Well, my guess of it, of course - but I find it hard to believe someone decides to LARP Adeptus Mechanicus and goes along the lines of “why don’t I cede my voice to the Machine Spirit”, while “why don’t I task this tool to write notes instead of doing it myself” is a lot more plausible.

Choices and outcomes are two very different things.

Re: Human Routers of Machine Words

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Post by zetalyrae »

SaucyWrong wrote: post #44
foreigner wrote: post #31

"the machine can’t even write good yet"

That fragment of OP’s writing was so funny to me I’m not sure it isn’t intentionally placed. Regardless, I would rather read a thousand pages of imperfect writing than a single page of machine slop.

It's a joke, c.f. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ-8IuUkJJc
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