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A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by jubilanti »

rib3ye wrote: post #30
jubilanti wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think of it like a petition or testifying before Congress. The whole point is that you are putting your real name behind it. And if you think your name and address are private, then I have some bad news for you.

I spend a lot of time filing requests to take down my home address. Most low-hanging fruit options have been scrubbed. I am hesitant to increase the count.

You mean the link between your name and home address? Impossible to scrub. If you're registered to vote, own a home, or many other things, that is legally a matter of public record.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by rastrojero2000 »

Any particular reason yall can't just argue in court that by creating opportunities for your PII to be stolen your governments (state or federal or both) are actively harming you economically?

Sure, not much money to be had by fighting that fight but basically any PAC should have the means to do this and by claiming money is at stake and not people's actual safety you do have a better chance at this not being dismissed because of how your justice system /is/.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by reddalo »

inigyou wrote: post #11
rockskon wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No.

It did in every other country that did it. What's different about this one? If you get a spam call in Europe from Europe, you call the police and the spammer gets located and punished.

> It did in every other country that did it

Italy has mandatory KYC for all mobile numbers, and scam/spam calls are a common problem. So no, it doesn't fix the problem at all.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by jameshart »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #20
jameshart wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: for my part I would like it to be the case that any phone line that can dial or message my phone can be traced back to a known human being who can be held accountable for abuse of that phone line in terms of generating spam, abuse or harassment. Seems that we can’t both get what we want. A potential solution is that you get your anonymous phone line but my phone provider simply refuses to let you call m…

I would like any message that is spam to be able to be traced back to the offending human. I would like anonymous political posts to be untraceable by the government. I can't even get all of what I want.

The problem of the government tracking down people for political posts is supposed to be solved by having laws that constrain the government, not by having corporations provide anonymity as a service.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by agloe_dreams »

phyzome wrote: post #31

It's even worse: Since cell phones broadcast your location at all times, this means telling hundreds of companies (and a number of governments) your location at basically all times. That's already an issue with most cell phones. Making this apply to prepaid phones is even worse.

One thing I wonder is if this is just one step removed from 'Now we know the identity of every user so we can now have both probable cause and verified identity to arrest over statements containing speech we do not like.' "

Like that is Carr's FCC in a nutshell - he wants to control speech by controlling the airwaves. That is a raw fact in his behavior. But when the news stations say the thing they want them to say, what happens next other than slightly extending the definitions of public good to the internet and then restricting speech?

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by adolph »

riffic wrote: post #18
rib3ye wrote: post #14

> Note: By checking this box, I acknowledge that I am filing a document into an official FCC proceeding. All information submitted, including names and addresses, will be publicly available via the web. Is there really not a way to submit an express FCC comment that avoids all my personal info being publicly published to the web? Yeesh.

call your congress critter instead

what, they keep no records, or as lege branch they aren't foi-able so you won't ever know if they do or not?

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by rockskon »

inigyou wrote: post #11
rockskon wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No.

It did in every other country that did it. What's different about this one? If you get a spam call in Europe from Europe, you call the police and the spammer gets located and punished.

Has it?

Spam calls frequently don't have a source in the same country as their target victim.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by mschuster91 »

simoncion wrote: post #38
coldpie wrote: post #16

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> legacy TDM systems Easy fix. It should be opt-in to accept a call that is routed through one of these. I know they allow it so some grandma in rural France that still uses a dial phone on a copper line that hasn't been touched since 1962 can call her son in New York, but for the rest of us who are not in that situation, we can just blacklist all those calls and lose nothing. This would even fix spam for the people…

> Easy fix. It should be opt-in to accept a call that is routed through one of these. Easier (and correct) fix: Telecoms operators should not be permitted to provide transit to a call that's routed through one of these. > I know they allow it so some grandma in rural France that still uses a dial phone on a copper line that hasn't been touched since 1962... This doesn't make sense. Even my inexpensive Mikrotik switch…

> I do not believe for even a second that Telecoms Grade switching equipment is unable to do the same.

The example should rather have been some telecom carrier in Africa or India. Telco equipment is expensive, the technology is ridiculously complex and getting companies especially in less well-off regions to replace aging stuff and updating it to modern standards is next to impossible. Think about it, the globally connected phone system includes countries where you get 10 GBit/s symmetric fiber in your home and it includes countries where people don't even have running water because they're so poor.

The fact that we in Western countries can have a realtime conversation with someone in the Saharan desert or in an Indian village that requires days worth of travel [1] is nothing short of a miracle.

[1] https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/5/8/an-election-booth...

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