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Claude Fable 5: mid-tier results on coding tasks

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Re: Claude Fable 5: mid-tier results on coding tasks

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100%… the fact that they're just using prompting to discourage the agent from looking ahead in the Git history is wild.

To be fair, it is good to know that it disobeys simple instructions like "don't examine my git history" far more than other models. (It should of course be a different benchmark, so as not to conflate things.) It's not a great sign for alignment.

Agreed, alignment is just a separate issue that a vuln fixing benchmark doesn't need to be testing.

Re: Claude Fable 5: mid-tier results on coding tasks

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I am quite impressed with Fable 5. I used the £18 subscription, and asked it to convert the document processing of Practal Zero [1] from running in the same thread as the UI to a worker thread. Just two days before I gave the same task to Codex, and the result was not really nice: it would copy the entire document to the worker thread as a snapshot for processing, and so on. Fable instead realised that it could make…

Umm? I'm getting usage capped on single prompts of Fable 5 with the $20 subscription.

I used it yesterday afternoon-night and this morning-afternoon, UK time, over a period of a few 5-hour windows. I didn't count the prompts, wall time was 1d6h, API time was 2h10m.

Re: Claude Fable 5: mid-tier results on coding tasks

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This matches my experience. Burned $2K to see how it will perform on frontend tasks and backend tasks. Frontend did a significantly better job than Opus on toy-scale wireframe projects by using gimmicks like fluid dynamics. Then when given medium to big tasks like multi-page web app where layouts and aesthetics must be decided by model itself, results by Fable and Opus scored indistinguishable score from human judges…

Run /model after your task to see. Mine keeps downgrading to Opus 4.8, which is a problem because Opus 4.8 keeps no-oping critical security code.

What you're describing only applies to security or biotech downgrades. A downgrade related to the model believing that you're doing something related to model development is invisible and silent and internal.

Re: Claude Fable 5: mid-tier results on coding tasks

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> The dominant mechanism, and the one no prompt instruction can prevent: the model has simply seen the upstream fix during training and reproduces it… > On numpy, the patch is 100% character-for-character identical to the golden patch… down to idiosyncratic comments like "Extending singleton dimension for 'reflect' is legacy behavior; it really should raise an error." This… seems like a flaw in the benchmark suite me…

Unrelated, but: > The dominant mechanism, and the one no prompt instruction can prevent: Writing like this is a stronger "AI-written" (specifically Claude) signal than em-dashes to me at this point. The LLM just delays committing to an answer by extending the preamble as much as possible. Is this just me?

Smoking gun! You've hit the nail on the head, and the case is stronger than you think.

Re: Claude Fable 5: mid-tier results on coding tasks

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My experience is that with every new release it's getting slower but not necessarily better. I have some projects where I review everything that the agents code - these projects look generally fine because I keep them in line. There are also a few projects that I just vibe code and focus on the result (sometimes I want to pull my hair out because of constant stream of stupid bugs) and don't look at the code. Well, to…

I’ve found that agents are obsessed with adding more lines of code. Even when asking them to simplify they’ll remove 50 lines of code and then add 100 more. You have to explicitly tell them you want less lines of code. So I just do that after iterating on a task for a few steps.

Re: Claude Fable 5: mid-tier results on coding tasks

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This matches my experience. Burned $2K to see how it will perform on frontend tasks and backend tasks. Frontend did a significantly better job than Opus on toy-scale wireframe projects by using gimmicks like fluid dynamics. Then when given medium to big tasks like multi-page web app where layouts and aesthetics must be decided by model itself, results by Fable and Opus scored indistinguishable score from human judges…

A single 8h task? I'm sorry, but that's just asking for trouble.

Re: Claude Fable 5: mid-tier results on coding tasks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Run /model after your task to see. Mine keeps downgrading to Opus 4.8, which is a problem because Opus 4.8 keeps no-oping critical security code.

What you're describing only applies to security or biotech downgrades. A downgrade related to the model believing that you're doing something related to model development is invisible and silent and internal.

Anthropic has reversed that decision. (But that just happened so it might have been true during the article's testing.)

Re: Claude Fable 5: mid-tier results on coding tasks

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The other "cheating" examples are even worse. It's wild to me that people keep designing benchmarks where the answer is lying around on disk or in the git history. "Hardening" the benchmark with strongly worded prompt instructions is bizarre. There are so many agent sandbox solutions. Why not use one and give it only access to the code it should see? And I'm not sure how they can rule out other solutions also benefit…

100%… the fact that they're just using prompting to discourage the agent from looking ahead in the Git history is wild.

Obviously they could just delete .git for their test if they wanted to. But consider telling the LLM not to use git commands the same as if you have keys in a .env file, and you tell the LLM not to read it, you might be concerned.
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