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The computer science degree isn’t dead

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Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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This may be a cynical take, but as someone with 10+ years of experience why should I care if companies are too short sighted to value and train juniors?

Where do you draw the line on that attitude? Do you not care about global warming because in your lifetime, you're probably not going to experience an unsurvivable wet bulb temperature where you happen to live?

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Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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> Where do you draw the line on that attitude? I draw the line at things that directly impact my net worth. > Do you not care about global warming because you're probably not going to experience an unsurvivable wet bulb temperature where you happen to live in your lifetime? Correct. I don’t care about global warming or climate change.

Do you believe in ethics or morality? If I decide you're having a negative impact on my net worth, can I come to your home and shoot you in the head? It seems we need a remedial class in morality here, where we work up to you understanding the golden rule. But perhaps you're not capable of understanding that. Is euthanizing you then the only option?

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Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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If one is thinking about not getting a degree and trying to go straight to work, as someone who did so (albiet out of poverty rather than choice) but didn't end up like Zuck, please heed my warning: Social capital matters more than just about anyone who has a degree can understand and tell you or mentor you about, because the majority of them have always had it, and they tend not even to interact with people without…

To a much smaller extent due to where I live, I noticed this too. From merely the fact that I had a (local economy relative) high paying software job and that I could "make stuff happen" for people with capital or people in the "boys club", I was introduced to an entirely different layer of the city I had no idea about. I noticed how effortlessly the signals transfer and how it all feels very meritocratic, you don't…

what's an example of something you made happen

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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It would actually be good for us… I never understood why software engineers were so excited about open source and teaching everyone to code. Why aren‘t we more like doctors or lawyers?

Why aren't doctors or lawyers more like us?

Because they like to monetize their worth.

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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My impression is that in the past year or so, IEEE journals have been leaning pretty heavily into low-quality, AI-generated articles. And looks like this author produced not one, not two, but three career advice columns in a single day - impressive: https://spectrum.ieee.org/u/brian-jenney

IEEE has been putting their name on garbage journals and conferences since forever.

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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Where do you draw the line on that attitude? Do you not care about global warming because in your lifetime, you're probably not going to experience an unsurvivable wet bulb temperature where you happen to live?

> Where do you draw the line on that attitude? I draw the line at things that directly impact my net worth. > Do you not care about global warming because you're probably not going to experience an unsurvivable wet bulb temperature where you happen to live in your lifetime? Correct. I don’t care about global warming or climate change.

So you don't care about things that indirectly affect your net worth? Credit score? Your overall health? How many friends you have?

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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I think we're going to see a big scramble to pick up the pieces in a few years when a bunch of vibe-slopped houses of cards come crashing down. I imagine it will be like the demand for COBOL developers but on a much more massive scale.

A few major failures will scare the risk mitigating bejesus out of some kinds of businesses, but maybe AI will be better than us at fixing those kinds of problems by then.

It is, but that isn't how it will be used. The problem isn't the tech, never was, it is how the greedy and stupid deploy it.

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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Get any kind of degree. A research degree is better. Not because people will ask you for your degree but because the effort of getting one teaches you how to learn new stuff. Especially a Ph D. degree. A few years into your career, you will have learned most of what you know on the job. I know plenty of programmers with degrees other than computer science. Geologists, biochemists, theoretical physicists, etc. Most ha…

A difficult degree in philosophy or english lit also does the same thing. Humans are amazing generalists, and when we practice thinking deeply, that skill transfers and allows us to pickup new domains.

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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> The Federal Reserve Bank of New York recently placed unemployment for recent CS graduates in the United States at 6.1 percent, with computer engineering graduates at 7.5 percent. Compared to philosophy majors at 3.2 percent and art history graduates at 3.0 percent, those figures look alarming. Alarming doesn’t begin to describe it. This is an existential crises for our industry. The situation for entry level has be…

I think we're going to see a big scramble to pick up the pieces in a few years when a bunch of vibe-slopped houses of cards come crashing down. I imagine it will be like the demand for COBOL developers but on a much more massive scale.

You know that’s not going to happen. Most of us are past the denial stage now, come join us…

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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If one is thinking about not getting a degree and trying to go straight to work, as someone who did so (albiet out of poverty rather than choice) but didn't end up like Zuck, please heed my warning: Social capital matters more than just about anyone who has a degree can understand and tell you or mentor you about, because the majority of them have always had it, and they tend not even to interact with people without…

Shouldn't a bad job market convince people to get a degree? You only miss a bad job market entry and low salaries, you need every meagre advantage you can get. 100% agree on a degree being a strong signal, by the way.

> Shouldn't a bad job market convince people to get a degree?

Maybe, but the degree has to be paid for, with time and money.

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