Earlier quoted context omitted.
Racist technology and a racist plaintiff in two racist states. What could go wrong????
Three "racist" in a sentence is a bingo. Congratulations.
[dead]
AI misidentification results in wrongful arrest; man seeks justice
41–50 of 51 posts
Re: AI misidentification results in wrongful arrest; man seeks justice
#42At first I thought this was a re-post of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48449513 , but no, it seems this is becoming a trend. Especially the "jailed for one month with no evidence" thing. Well, except for a lineup, which I've learned is about as legit as a lie-detector test, field sobriety test, or a drug-sniffing dog; tenuous at best and very easy to get a false positive.
We can call all these inaccurate methods The Injustice System. Next episode: The Dishonorable AI Judge.
Re: AI misidentification results in wrongful arrest; man seeks justice
#4385% accurate is doing a lot of hiding LOL. Searching a multi-million-face gallery and even high per-comparison accuray turns into mostly false positive. THese systems are only ever defensible as an investigative lead, neve as probable cause.
> THese systems are only ever defensible as an investigative lead, neve as probable cause. That's why the cops followed up with a photo lineup shown to the victim before applying for a warrant.
[dead]
Re: AI misidentification results in wrongful arrest; man seeks justice
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
> People have made accounts just to downvote me. How can you tell?
A greentext username with 10 minute old account, zero karma and 1 comment that comment being something negative in response usually There was an example months ago but I don’t keep track of the specifics
Accounts with zero karma don’t have the ability to downvote comments.
https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#downvo...
> After users reach 501 Karma, they gain the ability to downvote another comment.
Re: AI misidentification results in wrongful arrest; man seeks justice
#45This isn't just AI misidentification. This is also an eye witness picking him out of a lineup. This is really AI extending the reach of the already sketchy eye witness practice.
> already sketchy eye witness practice.
Frankly, eyewitness' testimony should be inadmissible in court. Why does it even count as evidence at all, and "direct" evidence at that? People can't be trusted to accurately remember things. Neither can technology be trusted to uncover the circumstance correctly. Perhaps we should just abolish the criminal system entirely; wrongful prosecution is a much bigger problem than complete lack of prosecution would ever be.
Re: AI misidentification results in wrongful arrest; man seeks justice
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
> THese systems are only ever defensible as an investigative lead, neve as probable cause. That's why the cops followed up with a photo lineup shown to the victim before applying for a warrant.
Which is stupid though because obviously it's just going to be someone that looks like the person they are after. The idea with a lineup is that you have some other sort of evidence, not based on how people look, and then have them identify the person. If you used a tool to find people that look a certain way and then put that person in a line up with other "non-85%" matches it's reasonable the respondent would pick…
> The idea with a lineup is that you have some other sort of evidence, not based on how people look, and then have them identify the person
No, that's not the idea with lineups; if that was it, you could just show one photo of a single suspect and ask "Is that them?" Which, as you know, has tremendous problems with accuracy of identifications.
Re: AI misidentification results in wrongful arrest; man seeks justice
#47> He stated he was held in the Mecklenburg County Jail for one month. > While he was incarcerated, Richardson lost his job and his home. He also said he lost custody of two of his children. Alright. Time to ban AI in policing. It can't be used responsibly, so it can't be used at all.
Do you prefer human identification, like picking the suspect among a group lineup? More accurate I guess?
[dead]
Re: AI misidentification results in wrongful arrest; man seeks justice
#48This isn't just AI misidentification. This is also an eye witness picking him out of a lineup. This is really AI extending the reach of the already sketchy eye witness practice.
> already sketchy eye witness practice. Frankly, eyewitness' testimony should be inadmissible in court. Why does it even count as evidence at all, and "direct" evidence at that? People can't be trusted to accurately remember things. Neither can technology be trusted to uncover the circumstance correctly. Perhaps we should just abolish the criminal system entirely; wrongful prosecution is a much bigger problem than co…
[dead]
Re: AI misidentification results in wrongful arrest; man seeks justice
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
What does 85% accurate even mean?
To the average person it means: No matter what task you apply the tool to, that you will be right 85% of the time, and 85% is a solid B, a passing grade, so let's use it.
So in other words, if you show it 100 random people and ask who did it, it will tell you to arrest 15 people, with a 15% chance not a single one of them is guilty?
(assuming it will operate independently for every individual you show it)
That's great.
Of course, putting such a system on public cameras, scanning large amounts of people, is about as stupid as some of the biggest disasters in medicine (using a 98% effective drug on random people, regardless of whether it would help them or not. You REALLY want to check what happens if you're wrong before applying it to a large number of people)
Re: AI misidentification results in wrongful arrest; man seeks justice
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
A greentext username with 10 minute old account, zero karma and 1 comment that comment being something negative in response usually There was an example months ago but I don’t keep track of the specifics
Accounts with zero karma don’t have the ability to downvote comments. https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#downvo... > After users reach 501 Karma, they gain the ability to downvote another comment.
Ah good point, well they sign up to say nasty stuff at least