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Launch HN: Intuned (YC S22) – Build and run reliable browser automations as code

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Re: Launch HN: Intuned (YC S22) – Build and run reliable browser automations as code

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Post by fkilaiwi »

jun_lung wrote: post #43

For auth, how does this handle things like 2FA or cases where, for first login from a new IP/whatever, there's an extra verification step (email, etc)

well, auth depends on the exact case, as an example, some 2FA we deal with it via code and we generate OPT on demand, on some cases, different approaches. One thing worth mentioning is that for auth, we allow you to attach a proxy to an auth session which will allow you to use that same IP with that auth session to reduce issues. One more thing, we have something called recorder auth session which basicly allows you to use a remote browser to authenticate and then we just save that.

Re: Launch HN: Intuned (YC S22) – Build and run reliable browser automations as code

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Post by chatmasta »

fkilaiwi wrote: post #12
asdev wrote: post #10

Is this a bet that Computer Use models don't get better and cheaper?

If you think about "price", "speed" and "accuracy (reliability/quality)", our bet is that models won't hit those 3 together. So you won't get a model that is very fast, very cheap and very accurate anytime soon. Also, imagine that you have a case where you want to scrape 10,000 records from a website, why have AI navigate to every page to do this? why not write the code, run it, and get consistent and fast result? it…

I’d like to see less focus on Playwright and more focus on giving the agent more than just an MCP to browser automation. Make it multi-modal, figure out how to optimize when to send screenshots to which model, etc… current coding harnesses are awful at any UI automation because they’re just automating DevTools and occasionally screenshotting. It’s obviously robotic, it’s slow, it’s ineffective and makes it difficult for the agent to validate success of code changes.

Generalized computer use is what will ultimately solve this, but I think there’s real intermediate value in optimizing browser workflows specifically, as a medley of remote browser automation and multi-modal browser use.

Re: Launch HN: Intuned (YC S22) – Build and run reliable browser automations as code

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Post by dang »

Eridrus wrote: post #33
fkilaiwi wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great question - we tried so many things and overtime, we ended up doing 2 things - custom chromium build and extension to solve captchas. In our docs, checkout stealth mode - https://intunedhq.com/docs/main/02-features/stealth-mode-cap... Also, one of our engineers did a write up on bot detection systems and how they work - https://intunedhq.com/blog/how-bot-detection-works

This never made it into prod since the scale was small, but one of the favorite leaks I found when working on bot detection was browsers which generated the same random numbers. Presumably because they were being init to the same VM snapshot and therefore the same random number state.

That is clever! I wish we could use tricks like that but we've never used client side JS for such purposes.

p.s. I've added this comment to https://news.ycombinator.com/highlights. I mention this so more people might learn that it exists and hopefully send us nominations!

Re: Launch HN: Intuned (YC S22) – Build and run reliable browser automations as code

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Post by bobbiechen »

omarbish wrote: post #40
bronco21016 wrote: post #38

Really cool! I was reading the blog post about bot detection with browsers. The first layer being the IP address of the browser. One rather unique scenario I've been trying to work out for a scraper is eliminating network latency. My use of the site is enhanced by the request from the browser having the lowest RTT latency to the webserver as possible. This means being in the same cloud provider. To do this right now…

Hi Bronco, Omar here, a Lead Platform Engineer at Intuned. > I've tried adding browser automation outside of the single click from the extension, and I'm immediately met with bot detection. Can you explain how you write your automation? How do you do the click from the extension? Do you use CDP input commands to perform the click (`Input.dispatchMouseEvent`), or do you execute JS code and click the button using `elem…

Hey Omar, do you have any plan to add support for Web Bot Auth? https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/webbotauth/about/

While I understand that not every business wants automation on their site, I know some businesses are totally open to it. But from a technical perspective, it's very difficult to allow well-behaved browser automation while still blocking abusive bots. Web Bot Auth gives website owners / security vendors a lightweight way to allow providers like Intuned.

(I work on the Web Bot Auth implementation for Stytch, now a part of Twilio: https://stytch.com/blog/stytch-supports-web-bot-auth/ )

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