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He Blew the Whistle on DOGE. Then His Brakes Were Cut

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Re: He Blew the Whistle on DOGE. Then His Brakes Were Cut

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Post by Volundr »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #26
nwsm wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My 2017 RAV4 doesn't. I think "most" is an exaggeration

https://assets.sia.toyota.com/publications/en/om-s/OM42752U/... p. 196, step 3: Firmly depress the brake pedal.

Yes, my riding lawnmower manual also tells me not to clear debris from the blade while the mower is running. Yet somehow I don't think the mower will stop if I do.

I don't know if this model has a brake interlock on the ignition or not, but the fact that it's part of the instructions for starting the vehicle doesn't imply the presence of one.

My 2006 Baja and 99 Acura Integra both don't have one. My 2024 Ioniq however will start in "accessory mode". There are plenty of cars on the road today that don't.

Re: He Blew the Whistle on DOGE. Then His Brakes Were Cut

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Post by jerlam »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #37
LoganDark wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How the actual fuck do you coincidentally end up with failing brakes right after a controversial social media post? The braking system is designed to be one of the most resilient systems in a vehicle. A coincident like that sounds a cosmic ray bitflip level of rare.

Among crashes where a "vehicle defect" is identified as the critical reason for a crash, brake problems account for 22% of them. It is a normal failure.

Both of these things can be true. Brakes can be the most resilient component in a car, but since they are so important, failure usually guarantees a crash.

Re: He Blew the Whistle on DOGE. Then His Brakes Were Cut

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Post by JohnTHaller »

breakingcups wrote: post #16
blakesterz wrote: post #5

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That link it throwing me: "Scan this QR code with your mobile device to verify you are human. reCAPTCHA protects your privacy and does not share your details with this website or app." Is that a new recaptcha thing? I've never seen that before.

Yeah, it's Google's second attempt at device attestation (ie. the widely panned web integrity tech they're trying to push through)

It's why I switched PortableApps.com to hCaptcha

Re: He Blew the Whistle on DOGE. Then His Brakes Were Cut

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Post by frumper »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #37
LoganDark wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How the actual fuck do you coincidentally end up with failing brakes right after a controversial social media post? The braking system is designed to be one of the most resilient systems in a vehicle. A coincident like that sounds a cosmic ray bitflip level of rare.

Among crashes where a "vehicle defect" is identified as the critical reason for a crash, brake problems account for 22% of them. It is a normal failure.

That is a very tiny percentage of overall crashes, it is not a normal failure.

Re: He Blew the Whistle on DOGE. Then His Brakes Were Cut

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

Volundr wrote: post #41
1970-01-01 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://assets.sia.toyota.com/publications/en/om-s/OM42752U/... p. 196, step 3: Firmly depress the brake pedal.

Yes, my riding lawnmower manual also tells me not to clear debris from the blade while the mower is running. Yet somehow I don't think the mower will stop if I do. I don't know if this model has a brake interlock on the ignition or not, but the fact that it's part of the instructions for starting the vehicle doesn't imply the presence of one. My 2006 Baja and 99 Acura Integra both don't have one. My 2024 Ioniq howeve…

I'm into pedantry just as much as you. You can't start or move a car within the last 16 years without depressing the brake pedal. It is a federal regulation. Quantified, "plenty of cars" is not a number.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/part-571/section-571.1...

https://www.nhtsa.gov/interpretations/alliance-114

Re: He Blew the Whistle on DOGE. Then His Brakes Were Cut

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

jerlam wrote: post #42
1970-01-01 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Among crashes where a "vehicle defect" is identified as the critical reason for a crash, brake problems account for 22% of them. It is a normal failure.

Both of these things can be true. Brakes can be the most resilient component in a car, but since they are so important, failure usually guarantees a crash.

It's nuanced. The brake system has several failure modes. Dual reservoir master cylinders would result in only half of the system to fail. You would absolutely be able to stop a car using only front or only rear brakes under normal conditions.

Re: He Blew the Whistle on DOGE. Then His Brakes Were Cut

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Post by shrubby »

xeonmc wrote: post #18
amluto wrote: post #9

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Many cars (especially ICE cars) may not have operational brake boost when you first get in to them — the vacuum that the power brakes rely on can easily be gone. So you step on the brakes without assist, then you start the engine, and then you have power brakes after a second or so. I can easily imagine that stepping on a brake pedal with cut lines and no assist doesn’t feel that weird. Also, plenty of people are not…

So what you're saying is, we need to abolish ICE and go electric?

I'm tempted to support this notion.

Re: He Blew the Whistle on DOGE. Then His Brakes Were Cut

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Post by [deleted] »

testing22321 wrote: post #24
Bender wrote: post #3

This is odd since most cars require stepping down on the brake pedal to start the car. Even my UTV (side-by-side) requires this. I can't even remember the last vehicle I owned that did not require this. If my foot starts sinking down it will be obvious my brakes are failing. Cutting just enough into the last part of the brake line that is flexible hydraulic line to burst after a few miles would require quite some ski…

I’ve owned at least a dozen cars, none have required the brake pedal press to start. Pressing the clutch is a North American thing in my experience. All my other vehicles didn’t need it to start.

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Re: He Blew the Whistle on DOGE. Then His Brakes Were Cut

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Post by haunter »

Bender wrote: post #3

This is odd since most cars require stepping down on the brake pedal to start the car. Even my UTV (side-by-side) requires this. I can't even remember the last vehicle I owned that did not require this. If my foot starts sinking down it will be obvious my brakes are failing. Cutting just enough into the last part of the brake line that is flexible hydraulic line to burst after a few miles would require quite some ski…

> most cars require stepping down on the brake pedal to start the car

I've never ever seen that but I also never drove an car with automatic transmission just manual, probably a thing there

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