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Expanding Project Glasswing

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Re: Expanding Project Glasswing

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post #37

Step 1: claim you created a tool so dangerous you can't release it Step2: offer to test it, but only for the biggest companies in the world Step 3: onboard those big players on your tooling and product Step 4: profit This is genius.

With trillion dollars at stake they can hire best of best in sales and marketing. And unlike some hardcore hackers who may have ethics that does not always move in direction of more money. Sales and marketing people are highly motivated for opportunities to make more money.

Our game is to craft shit, their game is to sell shit. You gotta respect the different tastes in the nature!

Re: Expanding Project Glasswing

#43
post #40

It’s clear that Anthropic has run out of the compute capacity needed to serve Mythos publicly. They’re using security concerns to mask their inability to deliver the model at scale, while still trying to maintain their lead over OpenAI. As a result, they’ve chosen to release it privately under the banner of an “ethical” rollout.

They started Glasswing before they struck that $1.25B/month deal with xAI/SpaceX for their (notoriously dirty) Memphis data centers.

So they have a whole lot more compute now than they did last month.

Re: Expanding Project Glasswing

#44
Maybe it is just me: I feel Anthropic most recent product announcements resemble more and more like what IBM tactic was at its high. For instance, the Watson AI hype after it defeated Kasparov. The difference is IBM actually wanted and let businesses buy and use Watson as opposed to time released like what Anthropic does to even boost the hype higher.

Re: Expanding Project Glasswing

#45
post #40

It’s clear that Anthropic has run out of the compute capacity needed to serve Mythos publicly. They’re using security concerns to mask their inability to deliver the model at scale, while still trying to maintain their lead over OpenAI. As a result, they’ve chosen to release it privately under the banner of an “ethical” rollout.

So why is OpenAI also releasing 5.5-Cyber in a private manner? Are they also out of compute?

Re: Expanding Project Glasswing

#46
post #43
post #40

It’s clear that Anthropic has run out of the compute capacity needed to serve Mythos publicly. They’re using security concerns to mask their inability to deliver the model at scale, while still trying to maintain their lead over OpenAI. As a result, they’ve chosen to release it privately under the banner of an “ethical” rollout.

They started Glasswing before they struck that $1.25B/month deal with xAI/SpaceX for their (notoriously dirty) Memphis data centers. So they have a whole lot more compute now than they did last month.

But that compute might not be available to then long term. Hard to make big moves with a contract like that.

Re: Expanding Project Glasswing

#47

Whats currently an open source project which comes closest to Mythos capabilities?

No single open weights model comes close to either Mythos or GPT 5.5.

Nonetheless, running many of the open weights models over a codebase, with an appropriate harness, can provide about the same vulnerability coverage (i.e. each of the open weights models would find a subset of what Mythos or GPT 5.5 could find, but the subsets are not the same).

Despite needing more runs and more time, this may be significantly cheaper, especially if the models are self hosted.

Based on what Anthropic said about Mythos, they also use a quite elaborate harness for finding bugs and vulnerabilities, i.e. not a simple prompt like "find the bugs".

They run repeatedly Mythos on each file of the codebase, many times. They start with more generic prompts, used to determine whether a more thorough analysis of that file is worthwhile. Then they use more specific prompts, to detect various classes of bugs. After it becomes probable that a certain bug exists, they do a final run where the prompt requests a confirmation of the already known bug, perhaps together with a proposed patch or a PoC exploit.

Therefore the efficiency of finding vulnerabilities depends a lot on the harness, not only on the LLM. Also, searching vulnerabilities in a big codebase when paying per token is very expensive, because it requires many runs of the LLM.

Re: Expanding Project Glasswing

#48
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With trillion dollars at stake they can hire best of best in sales and marketing. And unlike some hardcore hackers who may have ethics that does not always move in direction of more money. Sales and marketing people are highly motivated for opportunities to make more money.

Our game is to craft shit, their game is to sell shit. You gotta respect the different tastes in the nature!

Yeah, Companies to buy shit and their employees to eat shit. Lion king would say it is great circle of life.

Re: Expanding Project Glasswing

#49
post #40

It’s clear that Anthropic has run out of the compute capacity needed to serve Mythos publicly. They’re using security concerns to mask their inability to deliver the model at scale, while still trying to maintain their lead over OpenAI. As a result, they’ve chosen to release it privately under the banner of an “ethical” rollout.

It is not "clear", as your comment suggests, it's hidden. Which is semantically the opposite of clear. Regarding your theory, might be true, might be false. But it's highly speculative.

Re: Expanding Project Glasswing

#50
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our game is to craft shit, their game is to sell shit. You gotta respect the different tastes in the nature!

Yeah, Companies to buy shit and their employees to eat shit. Lion king would say it is great circle of life.

Here spoke the wise man!
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