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Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by tasuki »

theonemind wrote: post #14

I find the way that issue was opened incredible obnoxious, but it is baffling that the maintainers seem to have let AI loose on rsync. Like, why? Why try comparatively experimental crap when your fortune and reputation is made and you're the leader of a niche and immune to market pressure and the people love the thing and it does exactly what it's supposed to and works well? It's like the Matrix, with the little rant…

> when your fortune and reputation is made and you're the leader of a niche

Huh? "Fortune"? You mean the slog of maintaining a popular open source project half the world relies on without compensation?

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by nottorp »

roenxi wrote: post #16
theonemind wrote: post #14

I find the way that issue was opened incredible obnoxious, but it is baffling that the maintainers seem to have let AI loose on rsync. Like, why? Why try comparatively experimental crap when your fortune and reputation is made and you're the leader of a niche and immune to market pressure and the people love the thing and it does exactly what it's supposed to and works well? It's like the Matrix, with the little rant…

Are you basing this opinion on the issue or actual evidence? Because this github link, although interesting, is almost completely context free on what the drama is beyond "Claude". The rsync maintainers could be anywhere on the spectrum from the perfect and responsible maintainer to incompetent children and we couldn't really tell.

> is almost completely context free on what the drama is beyond "Claude"

As soon as it happened their rsync based backup system that was working before started to fail. It says right there.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by baliex »

koehler wrote: post #36

I truly don't get it You have a rock solid piece of software used by an infinite amount of people and other services. It works fine, does it's job and just have some time to time updates due to minor bug fixes. Why do we need AI here? And more over, why people is saying "fork it and use the previous version". It should be actually all the way around, create a parallel fork younamethetool-ai and keep the OG untouched.…

I 100% agree with the "please don't fuck up this stable & reliable workhorse" sentiment.

I haven't read this in detail but "Six CVEs are fixed in this release. All six are assigned by VulnCheck as CNA. Affected versions are 3.4.2 and earlier in every case." seems like a pretty solid answer to the "why".

https://download.samba.org/pub/rsync/NEWS#3.4.3

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

vips7L wrote: post #19
scared_together wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I look at the commits themselves, most of the ones generated by Claude are testsuite changes, or at least labelled as such. https://github.com/RsyncProject/rsync/commits/master/

Aren’t LLMs notorious for just making tests pass and not actually testing functionality?

I’ve never seen Claude do that. It makes the new tests pass by fixing previously unknown bugs in my experience.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by egeozcan »

m1keil wrote: post #37

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Comments in Github were usually horrible, but the AI stuff brought extra divisiveness. yt-dlp stops supporting bun because they call the rust rewrite a risk -> hate comments. rsync fixes security issues and gets some help from AI -> someone finds a bug and... hate comments. Poor maintainers.

Crazy.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by relistan »

Hacker News: “It’s unfair the burden put on maintainers of the core pillars of open source software. Show some respect for the maintainers, and do your best to contribute.”

… little changes …

Also Hacker News: “I have the right to tell you how to manage the project that you created and have maintained for 30+ years, because I feel very self-righteous about AI and code quality!”

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by marginalia_nu »

relistan wrote: post #46

Hacker News: “It’s unfair the burden put on maintainers of the core pillars of open source software. Show some respect for the maintainers, and do your best to contribute.” … little changes … Also Hacker News: “I have the right to tell you how to manage the project that you created and have maintained for 30+ years, because I feel very self-righteous about AI and code quality!”

As HN consists of more than two people, it is home to multiple contradictory opinions. Furthermore, both points may be valid. As a user you might want working software, and as an open source maintainer, you aren't beholden to what the users want.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

#49

Post by relistan »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #48
relistan wrote: post #46

Hacker News: “It’s unfair the burden put on maintainers of the core pillars of open source software. Show some respect for the maintainers, and do your best to contribute.” … little changes … Also Hacker News: “I have the right to tell you how to manage the project that you created and have maintained for 30+ years, because I feel very self-righteous about AI and code quality!”

As HN consists of more than two people, it is home to multiple contradictory opinions. Furthermore, both points may be valid. As a user you might want working software, and as an open source maintainer, you aren't beholden to what the users want.

Sure, but you cannot deny the hypocritical swarm behavior, which is the point.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by marginalia_nu »

relistan wrote: post #49
marginalia_nu wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As HN consists of more than two people, it is home to multiple contradictory opinions. Furthermore, both points may be valid. As a user you might want working software, and as an open source maintainer, you aren't beholden to what the users want.

Sure, but you cannot deny the hypocritical swarm behavior, which is the point.

The "swarm behavior" is mostly an illusion created by your mind. HN is just a bunch of people and bots.
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