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Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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”We get training data.” E.g., photos of your children, an inventory of your books, the contents of your medicine cabinet. They may not have plans to sell this stuff, but whoever acquires them certainly will.

your photos of your kids, your books, and the contents of your medicine cabinet are already in a bunch of giant corporations' databases attributed to you...

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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There’s a scandal/controversy occurring right now after someone leaked photos of the inside of Ariana Grande’s apartment.

yikes! that's pretty gross. I hope there's some appropriate consequences.

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Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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I'm not bothered by a lot of tech that other's object to. I'm fine with having an Alex in my house, a connected car, Microsoft Windows. But I can't imagine consenting to _this_. There's too much personal data the can inadvertently collect, and too little oversight with little upside for me.

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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”We get training data.” E.g., photos of your children, an inventory of your books, the contents of your medicine cabinet. They may not have plans to sell this stuff, but whoever acquires them certainly will.

they don't need photos, they already know everything you buy

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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I've always found the idea of letting strangers clean my home strange. Maybe I grew up in the wrong tax bracket. I see cleaning your own home, as well as other chores (dishes, laundry) as an act of self-hygiene. If you want a robot to do your chores, that gives me the same feeling as desiring a robot to bathe you, wipe your bottom and genitals after the toilet, brush your teeth for you etc. Of course these are not ap…

>If you want a robot to do your chores you mean like a dishwasher or a washing machine?

You are confusing letting a machine make decisions about what needs to be done with using a machine to remove toil from the things I have decided.

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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Exactly and any "future robots" that are actually capable of cleaning your home will be doing the same thing. It'd be streaming 24/7 audio/video/sensor data of everyone and everything in your home back to the company where all of it will be analyzed and used to make assumptions about you and your family which will be sold and resold. At this point I wouldn't allow an internet connected roomba into my home, I'm sure a…

I think an interesting case would be if the data was provided to law enforcement directly or indirectly and they use it to gain access to a home if they see drug paraphernalia crack pipe or other items of interest illegal weapons under exigent circumstances or similar laws. Autonomous robots could become the ultimate snitch. Would a robot report a wife beater? Child abuser? Could a robot legally physically intervene…

They might for a while. However it is somewhat likely that the courts will shut this down as an unreasonable search since no probable cause existed. Though if the beating is bad enough to require hospitalization and the robot calls 911 to get that, the rest of the evidence will be admitted in that case, but only because the robot has reason to call 911, and in turn it was an emergency search.

there are lots of different ways to take this, have fun arguing about the different edge cases and what the constitution (notice that I did not specify which constitution - there are many countries with different ones and different courts!) says.

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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post #11

Better this than the Bot Company, which has been apparently renting out AirBnBs for robot testing and leaving them trashed: https://sfstandard.com/2026/05/28/sf-startup-secretly-testin...

Discussion on that one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48317093

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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post #11

Better this than the Bot Company, which has been apparently renting out AirBnBs for robot testing and leaving them trashed: https://sfstandard.com/2026/05/28/sf-startup-secretly-testin...

After thinking about this for a while, I'm not sure it really happened. It wouldn't surprise me if the house was not trashed, just a landlord manipulating evidence when they think they can make money in court. There is no particular reason to trust either side and we have not seen what evidence really exists. In particular the reporters didn't do a good job of digging in - at the very least where is the response from the Bot Company?

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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post #45

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>If you want a robot to do your chores you mean like a dishwasher or a washing machine?

You are confusing letting a machine make decisions about what needs to be done with using a machine to remove toil from the things I have decided.

I'm sure when these came out someone was thinking that they think about what stains to remove.
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