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The other part of the problem not discussed in this article is that many services now require digital ID. Banks don't really have many physical locations any more, etc. So not having a digital ID is seriously impractical, and it didn't have to be this way. That is IMO a big factor for why digital ID is receiving so much flac: "Digital ID isn't something everyone can have, and for the corner-case people, the alternati…
In my country during covid banks virtually eliminated the cash. There is maybe one branch left per major city dealing with cash. The few remaining branches are "lounge areas" where they tell you to set up their app and do everything by yourself.
Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster
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Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster
#42Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Very few people in a cashless society are wanting to go back to the old ways. I don’t think that’s true. Also, never “trust” a bank with your money, for starters, “your money” is nothing but a fake number that doesn’t actually reflect a physical monetary asset, hence why if enough amount of people withdraw their money, you end up with a bank run, aka, the bank digital fake numbers are more than the actual physical…
>I don’t think that’s true. It is. Source, me in Sweden.
So I stopped using BankID over two years ago, and do most of my daily life in cash.
Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster
#44The article is a little one sided, as it doesn't touch upon MinID which is a government ID service, and Idporten which is an authentication service that allows use of different EIDs, like MinID and BankID. MinID is only considered "secure" while BankID is considered "highly secure"; as the linked pdf report (on Norwegian) states - in Norway, due to the popularity/market dominance of BankID - a lot of the logins are "…
eIDAS (EU Regulation No 910/2014) derives the LoA definition from ISO/IEC 29115:2013 LoA 2,3,4 to LoA “Low”, “Substantial” and “High” (LoA 1 is not mapped in eIDAS). eIDAS article 8 refers to the Commission Implementing Regulation (EU) 2015/1502 and it refers to ISO/IEC 29115:2013.
Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster
#45The HN title is misleading and "editorialising". The real title: > Digital Identity Management in Norway is a Success but also a Disaster I checked: It is not too long for HN. I think the title should be updated here.
Submitters: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster
#46Digital ID is a catastrophe, in Norway or elsewhere. But that doesn’t matter because the purpose of such ID is more surveillance, and if any issue happens you might end up liable like that man mentioned in the article. Right now in countries where digital ID isn’t yet implemented, phone numbers are used instead to link your digital identity to the real one, and most countries require government ID to issue one, and s…
I'm confused how Nordic countries accepted linking banking login with government ID. Neither of them is your friend and both of them are not a friend in a completely different way.
Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster
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>I don’t think that’s true. It is. Source, me in Sweden.
I'm in Sweden. I want to go back to the old ways. I hate how much the US controls our daily life. I hate loss of privacy and the presumption that everyone has a Google or Apple account, and are subject to their whims with little real alternative. So I stopped using BankID over two years ago, and do most of my daily life in cash.
BankID is made by our banks but okay, I get the phone part.
How do you function day to day without BankID?
It is so integrated now """for convenience""" but yea it really is crazy. Especially how it is tied to having a bank account but the login is for everything. Payments, insurance etc...
Also how it needs Google play so Huawei phones got banned.
Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster
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I'm in Sweden. I want to go back to the old ways. I hate how much the US controls our daily life. I hate loss of privacy and the presumption that everyone has a Google or Apple account, and are subject to their whims with little real alternative. So I stopped using BankID over two years ago, and do most of my daily life in cash.
>So I stopped using BankID over two years ago BankID is made by our banks but okay, I get the phone part. How do you function day to day without BankID? It is so integrated now """for convenience""" but yea it really is crazy. Especially how it is tied to having a bank account but the login is for everything. Payments, insurance etc... Also how it needs Google play so Huawei phones got banned.
If BankID worked on a free OS then that would be nice for a few things (like paying taxes, which I still do on paper), but other things are both BankID and Apple/Google smartsphone.
For example, I've made it very clear to my kids' school that I do not and will not get a smartphone, so I cannot use their app (based on Google Classroom). It took months, but now they send me the weekly newsletter by email, and I can call to say if the kids are sick. While my wife can handle the scheduling changes for fritids.
I also have the advantage of living in the center of town, a block from the centralized government services office. The queue is very short most of the time. I also live above my bank, though I'm thinking of switching to Handelsbanken, which is about two blocks, since I've seen how Swedbank is deskilling their local branches.
For the bank I still use a bank dosa. For bus travel I use kontoladdning, though the local transit system wants to replace that with a dependency on (US-based) bank cards - something I think is bad for the unbanked (including youths), visitors from certain countries, and bad for Swedish security as it lets the US restrict someone's ability to use mass transit. For health care I call the local medical center.
I work for myself, through my own aktiebolag, and my accountant handles most of the bookkeeping side of things. My customers are all outside of Sweden, so they don't care about BankID.
A few years ago it was hard to explain to people why I didn't use US-based systems. Over the last couple of years it's become a lot easier, for obvious reasons.
There are still enough old people and others that at least essential services don't require BankID. My wife worked with Ukrainian refugees who had a work permit but couldn't get a bank account. The hotel paid their salaries in cash. That's several levels harder than I have to deal with.
You'll be surprised at how many places still take cash, or will do a faktura, or accept simple bank transfer like we all did 20 years ago.
Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Very few people in a cashless society are wanting to go back to the old ways. I don’t think that’s true. Also, never “trust” a bank with your money, for starters, “your money” is nothing but a fake number that doesn’t actually reflect a physical monetary asset, hence why if enough amount of people withdraw their money, you end up with a bank run, aka, the bank digital fake numbers are more than the actual physical…
>I don’t think that’s true. It is. Source, me in Sweden.
https://moneytransfers.com/sending-money/the-countries-most-...
Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster
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>I don’t think that’s true. It is. Source, me in Sweden.
Nope, only 11% in Sweden prefer cahsless/using cashless since covid, your country isn’t even in the top cashless countries, Thailand Malaysia Spain UAE and even here in Canada are more cashless than Sweden, and that’s not a brag, it’s the opposite. https://moneytransfers.com/sending-money/the-countries-most-...