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Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

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Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

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Post by iamdave »

Alex3917 wrote: post #7

Are people really worried about this? The only reason this is in the TOS is so they have the right to keep running their data mining algorithms even after you delete your account, in case they find a new way to leverage your data. It's not like they're going to start selling a poetry anthology of your stuff or something.

I understand your argument, and from a technical aspect it makes sense.

But guess what? An overwhelming majority of people on Facebook aren't concerned with data mining activities, there are families on Facebook. People who connect with loved ones overseas, who don't want their photos and family memories saved on the Internet for the sake of technical operation.

Really. Look at it from their perspective: they do-not-care about code and crunching processes. To them, this is akin to a gov't wiretapping phones in the name of national preservation.

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

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Post by eggnet »

d0mine wrote: post #33
kragen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am fairly sure that you are just mistaken. For example, Microsoft Windows's EULA does not, as far as I know, grant Microsoft any copyright license in your data. Maybe you can show me where I'm wrong?

For example, Windows can just one day destroy all your data without any consequences. Is it enough?

What would you consider a fair action on MS's part? In this scenario I'll consider it a given that you have traced the loss of all of your data to a bug that Microsoft agrees exists and did in fact destroy all of your data.

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

#43

Post by d0mine »

eggnet wrote: post #42
d0mine wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For example, Windows can just one day destroy all your data without any consequences. Is it enough?

What would you consider a fair action on MS's part? In this scenario I'll consider it a given that you have traced the loss of all of your data to a bug that Microsoft agrees exists and did in fact destroy all of your data.

I don't expect anything (and should not actually). If I lose my data due to a bad backup/updates policy it is my fault.

The question is not about MS. I've picked Windows because it has a huge user base.

My initial statement is equivalent to: if you take any software product that has many users then its legal docs effectively leave no rights to the end users. So it is not a big deal when Facebook changes its docs accordingly.

I understand that software companies are forced to adopt such policies to survive.

Therefore I rely on MS' good will that it tests updates before it releases them to the general public (even if it breaks all Windows boxes one day, people will be using it anyway).

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

#44

Post by derwiki »

andreyf wrote: post #35
redrobot5050 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Keep in mind that Facebook's original V.C. Investments came from the C.I.A.'s "Advanced Technology Research and Development Venture Capitial" Arm. (Say that three times fast.) Governments being governments, they'd likely throw good money after bad. They might also feel, having gotten everyone in one central database, that Facebook is "too big to fail".

Keep in mind that Facebook's original V.C. Investments came from the C.I.A.'s "Advanced Technology Research and Development Venture Capitial" Arm. Citation, please?

I hear this every now and again but it always sounds a little too conspiracy theory for me. Is there any legitimacy to this claim?

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

#45

Post by ivey »

iamdave wrote: post #41
Alex3917 wrote: post #7

Are people really worried about this? The only reason this is in the TOS is so they have the right to keep running their data mining algorithms even after you delete your account, in case they find a new way to leverage your data. It's not like they're going to start selling a poetry anthology of your stuff or something.

I understand your argument, and from a technical aspect it makes sense. But guess what? An overwhelming majority of people on Facebook aren't concerned with data mining activities, there are families on Facebook. People who connect with loved ones overseas, who don't want their photos and family memories saved on the Internet for the sake of technical operation. Really. Look at it from their perspective: they do-not-…

I think you're projecting. Most of those people just want Facebook to work, and don't care about this latest privacy "outrage".

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

#46

Post by kragen »

d0mine wrote: post #33
kragen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am fairly sure that you are just mistaken. For example, Microsoft Windows's EULA does not, as far as I know, grant Microsoft any copyright license in your data. Maybe you can show me where I'm wrong?

For example, Windows can just one day destroy all your data without any consequences. Is it enough?

Maybe you replied to my comment by mistake, but in case you meant to reply to my comment and not to somebody else's, a lack of liability for destroying data is not even close to the same thing as a copyright license.

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

#47

Post by sachinag »

derwiki wrote: post #44
andreyf wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind that Facebook's original V.C. Investments came from the C.I.A.'s "Advanced Technology Research and Development Venture Capitial" Arm. Citation, please?

I hear this every now and again but it always sounds a little too conspiracy theory for me. Is there any legitimacy to this claim?

Facebook is not listed as a portfolio company of In-Q-Tel:

http://www.iqt.org/technology-portfolio/index-alphabetical.h...

Given how comprehensive it is, I'd be very surprised if In-Q-Tel was all cutesy and shady about an investment in Facebook (a company that doesn't meet their objectives in any way).

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

#48

Post by eggnet »

d0mine wrote: post #43
eggnet wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you consider a fair action on MS's part? In this scenario I'll consider it a given that you have traced the loss of all of your data to a bug that Microsoft agrees exists and did in fact destroy all of your data.

I don't expect anything (and should not actually). If I lose my data due to a bad backup/updates policy it is my fault. The question is not about MS. I've picked Windows because it has a huge user base. My initial statement is equivalent to: if you take any software product that has many users then its legal docs effectively leave no rights to the end users. So it is not a big deal when Facebook changes its docs acco…

kragen's comment below sums up my thoughts.

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

#50

Post by gdee »

electromagnetic wrote: post #22
twopoint718 wrote: post #13

Yuck. I had heard previously about how difficult it is to completely remove yourself from FB, but this getting unreasonable. Also I have an issue with the article: > Someone can still take your photo, slap it on Facebook, and now neither you nor the author of the photo can stop Facebook from using the photo in whichever way they please. I doubt that that's the case. If someone takes something to which I have a copyri…

No you're absolutely correct. If someone takes your photo (I read about this for a childrens entertainer and someone duped her account) facebook will disable the persons account and likely depending on the situation may take extra steps (I believe in the case I'm thinking of, Facebook gave a list of the IP's and times the user had accessed the duplicate account from to the police in case they believed it was potentia…

>> It also says they do everything in accordance with the DMCA. The one thing people don't understand about the DMCA is that whilst it might be evil, it also protects individuals as much as companies because every single photo, sentence or anything you or I make or write are immediately copy protected in all western countries.

1. Warning: Wrong conflation detected. DMCA != copyright

2. Warning: Wrong conflation detected. copyright != "copy protected" (copyleft = copyright, copyleft = "copy invited")

3. DMCA is neither universal nor universal to western countries. It's actually no universal to anything. Just an internal USA law.

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