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Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

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Re: Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

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Post by fuoqi »

slopinthebag wrote: post #17
uniqueuid wrote: post #12

Before this blows up: - The world has very diverse ideas about how media regulation works. Germany has a strong public service broadcast tradition that is constitutionally anchored. You may not like it, but that's the cultural and legal tradition and changing it is not easily done. Please respect that especially coming from a country with a more liberal tradition (and perhaps a less functional media system, e.g. in t…

How is it guaranteed that public service broadcasting in Germany is not influenced by government? To me this seems like a gross intervention in the media so I'm struggling not to be critical here. Just because different cultures have different values does not make them equal.

Because it is a "public broadcast", so it obviously "Cannot Give In To Government Pressure": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9tzoGFszog

Re: Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

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Post by raffael_de »

slopinthebag wrote: post #17
uniqueuid wrote: post #12

Before this blows up: - The world has very diverse ideas about how media regulation works. Germany has a strong public service broadcast tradition that is constitutionally anchored. You may not like it, but that's the cultural and legal tradition and changing it is not easily done. Please respect that especially coming from a country with a more liberal tradition (and perhaps a less functional media system, e.g. in t…

How is it guaranteed that public service broadcasting in Germany is not influenced by government? To me this seems like a gross intervention in the media so I'm struggling not to be critical here. Just because different cultures have different values does not make them equal.

It is influenced by the government indirectly through complaisance. The heads of the stations are always aligned with CDU, SPD and the positions are passed on accordingly.

Re: Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

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Post by mdurana »

Apollo (the original publisher of this) is a right-conservative outlet and has been involved in a few disinformation scandals before (like during the Mannheim Christmas market attack where they spread a forged police note saying that the suspect was a black man) so I’d take this with a grain of salt.

The article is also pretty clickbaity. Current law says that media paid for by taxes shouldn’t be purposefully buried deep in menus or made hard for an average user to find than private media. It does not mean they have to be ranked above everyone else in search results or algorithmic feeds; search and ranking still have to be non-discriminatory. And now Apollo claims to have seen an internal draft from media regulators on a state level that would expand this to individual posts in algorithmic feeds, that's it. They're blowing it out of proportion. Nobody's talking about "forceful algorithm boost" or changing the ranking or search or stuff like that. Also Apollo won't share this doc so none of their claims can really be verified either way.

Re: Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

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Post by raffael_de »

hannob wrote: post #20

I would take this with a very huge grain of salt. The only source seems to be a fringe right-wing news webpage (Apollo News) citing from an internal paper (which, it sounds to me, is just a vague proposal from a media oversight body). I have not seen any reports in major news publications, and would assume there's a lot of context missing in this reporting.

There are already several examples for where their investigative journalism covered highly relevant subjects that state approved media didn't.

Re: Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

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Post by raffael_de »

mdurana wrote: post #46

Apollo (the original publisher of this) is a right-conservative outlet and has been involved in a few disinformation scandals before (like during the Mannheim Christmas market attack where they spread a forged police note saying that the suspect was a black man) so I’d take this with a grain of salt. The article is also pretty clickbaity. Current law says that media paid for by taxes shouldn’t be purposefully buried…

> like during the Mannheim Christmas market attack where they spread a forged police note saying that the suspect was a black man

can you back this up with a source? cause my google search didn't reveal anything of that kind.

Re: Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

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Post by nfkckcnd »

EA-3167 wrote: post #36
illiac786 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it’s working out pretty well.

Oh yeah, you'd definitely want the TRUMP administration in control of what we all get to express and who we can associate with. As miserable as this admin is, it's also a great example of why some powers shouldn't be in the government's hands.

You’re talking like it a hypothetical when it’s literally already happening. The First Amendment no longer exists and the Trump administration is already using the powers of the state and the powers of corruption to remove critics.
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