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Why the smart home bubble popped

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Re: Why the smart home bubble popped

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I think it’s also just that there’s not that much it makes sense to automate in the home. I run Home Assistant, and I do not have much of the typical home stuff on it. Why would I want to automate lights? My cat feeder has a timer already. I’m not about to get a smart lock and can’t imagine why I would want to automate one. The useful things I do use it for are: -heating control to take advantage of cheaper electric…

I have all kinds of lights automated. Lights that turn themselves off with a software timer. Lights that turn off when nobody is home. Lights that turn themselves on when I get home. Lights that do things in response to the status of other lights. Lights that fade on slowly every evening beginning at sunset and reaching 100% brightness at civil twilight, and do the opposite every morning.

I suppose that it does make some things less frustrating.

The days when I'd come home from work and see that the porch light got left on all day or find that the pantry light has been left on for hours are all behind me. That's not as important (money-wise) with LEDs as it was with incandescents, but it's good.

It's also fun -- for me, at least -- to think of ways to automate things.

Like: I have a bedroom that tends to get hot on sunny days and overlooks a busy road, and I don't like feeling like I'm on display. So I'd like those blinds closed at night, and open during the day. Sounds simple. I can do that the old fashioned way by opening and closing the blinds with my hands.

Except: If it's hot in there, then maybe they can just stay closed during the day.

Except: Maybe I can let ambient daylight in, and only close the blinds during the day during times when the position of the sun allows for direct sunlight to pour in.

Except: If it's cold in the room and it's during the heating season, then that sunlight is useful energy that saves me money and they should stay open.

Perhaps I could manage all that myself manually every day (and maybe I'll remember to try to get it right, or maybe I won't bother trying at all), or I can code something up one time that does it for me. The latter might not actually be less work, but it's more fun and it's probably going to be more reliable than I am myself.

Re: Why the smart home bubble popped

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The smart home is a thousand small problems to solve and should never be one catch all. The automatic cat feeder works well. So does the roomba. I like my automated blinds but will stick with manual light switches. I consolidated my home theatre remotes. Note how they’re all seperate problems. The smart home is here. It’s just that it was never a use case for a singular smart home platform. It was always 1000 seperat…

What I wrote above:

>I use Home Assistant (https://www.home-assistant.io/). It has an integration for lots of manufacturers. Single app, single entry point, cross manufacturer automations.

Re: Why the smart home bubble popped

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An alarm with a built in light does that slowly getting brighter thing just fine. These days a smart home doing that slowly getting brighter thing regularly fails.

Mine has literally never failed, and I haven’t owned an alarm clock in two decades this reply is peak HN.

Your smart home has never failed? What brand are you using?

Re: Why the smart home bubble popped

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Smart home seems to suffer from the old-school AI curse in that it stops getting the name as soon as it works. Roomba, thermostat automation and remote control, casting content between devices, the video door bells, siri (to say nothing of dishwasher, rice cookers, laundry machine, etc). Anything that works gets bundled into an appliance and becomes normal. Smart home only means stuff that's at the edge of working, plus maybe some stuff that requires gluing multiple discrete appliances together (ie unlikely to work easily). In particular lighting for the latter, which has stiff competition against light switches.

Re: Why the smart home bubble popped

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The reason really is the extreme arrogance of every single manufacturer that wants you to install their app and use their ecosystem. That might have worked if one of them became super dominant and pushed everyone else out. But because that didn't happen, now I have to install 20 apps for 20 different manufacturers with no guarantees of interoperability. Instead of that I'm choosing to vote with my wallet and mostly s…

With each manufacturer doing their own thing, you’re also dependent upon each company keeping their servers online for X years. And when they inevitably decide that this isn’t the market for them (eg Belkin Wemo), you’re stuck with switches or plugs that potentially don’t work at all. Smart home items should have lifespans on the order of decades. But companies treat the products as something that is obsolete after a year.

Re: Why the smart home bubble popped

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The reason really is the extreme arrogance of every single manufacturer that wants you to install their app and use their ecosystem. That might have worked if one of them became super dominant and pushed everyone else out. But because that didn't happen, now I have to install 20 apps for 20 different manufacturers with no guarantees of interoperability. Instead of that I'm choosing to vote with my wallet and mostly s…

I use Home Assistant ( https://www.home-assistant.io/ ). It has an integration for lots of manufacturers. Single app, single entry point, cross manufacturer automations.

Home Assistant is well beyond the skills of the vast majority of people to install, set up, and maintain. And they don't want to have to maintain something like that. They want an appliance that they plug in and just works.

Re: Why the smart home bubble popped

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The reason really is the extreme arrogance of every single manufacturer that wants you to install their app and use their ecosystem. That might have worked if one of them became super dominant and pushed everyone else out. But because that didn't happen, now I have to install 20 apps for 20 different manufacturers with no guarantees of interoperability. Instead of that I'm choosing to vote with my wallet and mostly s…

My current strategy is to buy only Z-Wave gear. I run my own home automation software on a Raspberry Pi, but someone (i.e. nearly everyone) who wouldn't want to do that could (in theory!) buy a Z-Wave hub appliance, install its companion app, and it should be pretty easy to deal with that way.

But this seems not to be a well-advertised way of doing things, unfortunately.

Re: Why the smart home bubble popped

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Perhaps it popped because of devices from Google, Amazon, Apple, Sonos, etc. that surveil everything you say in their presence. My houses are fairly automated, but I have excluded any device with a microphone.

Also the devices don't fucking work and all require their own dumb app most of the time.

ya the one that connects via local network unlike the cloud provider ones are very unreliable most of the time

Re: Why the smart home bubble popped

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Recurring revenue, K-factor, long shelf life and low actuation rate.

Few verticals outside of video storage could support a monthly subscription putting negative pressure on supporting a shipped product.

Most smart home products are anti-social and had a low k-factor. You don’t want to share access to your scale to more than a handful (2?) people. This makes market adoption slower than a social networking app.

Touched on in the video but median shelf life for these $200 products is 8 years. Thats very “bad” relative to most other consumer hardware. Especially say a $1500 smartphone that’s replaced every 2 years.

Actuation rates on many categories are abysmal. Your smart smoke detector may go years without sending you a message. Compare to say screentime for ChatGPT on mobile averaging hours per day.

Interestingly a lot of those floundering smart home products became thriving businesses when pivoting to smart office focus. Subscriptions go up, user counts go up, utility goes up.

Re: Why the smart home bubble popped

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The reason really is the extreme arrogance of every single manufacturer that wants you to install their app and use their ecosystem. That might have worked if one of them became super dominant and pushed everyone else out. But because that didn't happen, now I have to install 20 apps for 20 different manufacturers with no guarantees of interoperability. Instead of that I'm choosing to vote with my wallet and mostly s…

Matter is a solution to that. It's a standard pathway for things to talk to (say) a light bulb. The control interface is local, not cloud-based. And configuring a Matter device from $random_company doesn't require $random_company's bizarro-world app; instead, it involves a QR code or a short alphanumeric sequence.

That Matter light bulb still needs something to control it, but the light bulb is not tied to one control ecosystem -- at all. It works with any Matter-supporting system.

That bulb can even work multiple different Matter systems concurrently. Which sounds dumb, but that helps smooth our transition periods wherein a person switches from one system to another. The old system can continue to operate just fine while the new system is implemented, and then once the new hotness is behaving Good Enough the old one can just be switched off.

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