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Netherlands Seizes 800 Servers, Arrests 2 for Aiding Cyberattacks

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Re: Netherlands Seizes 800 Servers, Arrests 2 for Aiding Cyberattacks

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Post by fancythat »

efitz wrote: post #10

I’ve been on the defender side of security my whole career. I know in some markets crime pays more than legitimate work, but it never ceases to amaze me how much thought, effort, planning, and engineering goes into providing infrastructure IT services for cybercriminals. The people involved definitely have the skills to be profitable at legitimate work; it just puzzles me that they choose to support criminals.

Because they cannot be profitable. Job market is not the same on both ends. If you are east European and you try to get a job in an international corporation, the in all cases offer salaries adjusted for regional averages, unless you are willing to reallocate. Only few startups and FAANG like companies, often compensation in line what is received in the western world.

And there is also a thrill of doing it, which other guys already mentioned.

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Post by consp »

nalekberov wrote: post #36
pocksuppet wrote: post #33

We should note these are not even slightly legitimate hosting companies, lest anyone worry too much about their non-KYC offshore servers. These aren't hosting companies that ask little, they are just directly front companies for Russian intelligence, owned by members of Russian intelligence, they don't do anything else, they don't provide hosting service to regular people even if you want it (I have tried). Unlike in…

Any source to back up your claims? Otherwise it seemed pretty much a conspiracy theory to me.

The company inherited all their customers and equipment from a sanctioned company (according to the Dutch news report). Should be enough for most people.

Re: Netherlands Seizes 800 Servers, Arrests 2 for Aiding Cyberattacks

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Post by kirubakaran »

quantummagic wrote: post #37
kirubakaran wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not generalize, even if you feel like you can say that because you're a member of a group you're generalizing. It's unfair to most of the people in any group being generalized.

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Post by l23k4 »

pocksuppet wrote: post #33

We should note these are not even slightly legitimate hosting companies, lest anyone worry too much about their non-KYC offshore servers. These aren't hosting companies that ask little, they are just directly front companies for Russian intelligence, owned by members of Russian intelligence, they don't do anything else, they don't provide hosting service to regular people even if you want it (I have tried). Unlike in…

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Re: Netherlands Seizes 800 Servers, Arrests 2 for Aiding Cyberattacks

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Post by consumer451 »

When I was learning some homelab stuff, and was setting up pfSense, I was able to see the geos of all the scans/attacks on my home internet IP. I was surprised to see that Netherlands was up there with Russia and China in volume. They all got geo blocked.

What is it about the Netherlands that makes them so attractive to these people?

Re: Netherlands Seizes 800 Servers, Arrests 2 for Aiding Cyberattacks

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Post by sandeepkd »

efitz wrote: post #10

I’ve been on the defender side of security my whole career. I know in some markets crime pays more than legitimate work, but it never ceases to amaze me how much thought, effort, planning, and engineering goes into providing infrastructure IT services for cybercriminals. The people involved definitely have the skills to be profitable at legitimate work; it just puzzles me that they choose to support criminals.

If we use one of the comments from here that it was done at the behest of some government then its more like the offensive team of a legitimate government. Pretty much every thing can be colored grey that way and one just needs to find people that they can persuade or convince for their cause.

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Post by chatmasta »

consp wrote: post #42
nalekberov wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any source to back up your claims? Otherwise it seemed pretty much a conspiracy theory to me.

The company inherited all their customers and equipment from a sanctioned company (according to the Dutch news report). Should be enough for most people.

That just means the sanctioned company was selling to sanctioned entities, not that it was only selling to them.

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Post by hermannj314 »

kirubakaran wrote: post #43
quantummagic wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I don't think a person saying Eastern European are observed doing something more than expected is inherently racist. It is a claim he either does or doesn't have evidence for.

If he made the claim with insufficient evidence or made the claim in contradiction of the evidence, then it becomes racist, but I don't think making the observation and doing the calculation is the racist part. It is a simple chi-squared goodness-of-fit test.

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Post by meindnoch »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #26
Aurornis wrote: post #14

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I watched the downfall and eventual jailing of someone who had a great job, career, and family after he started getting involved in cybercrime. As far as I can make sense of it, he enjoyed the thrill of feeling superior to others: Evading the law, exploiting people who viewed as stupid, and enriching himself in the process. He got caught through a mistake that was really dumb in retrospect. I think he believed his in…

>As far as I can make sense of it, he enjoyed the thrill of feeling superior to others: Evading the law, exploiting people who viewed as stupid, and enriching himself in the process. I sadly see this pattern of thinking far more often than I want to in my fellow eastern Europeans.

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