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Ebola Outbreak Now Third Largest Recorded and "Spreading Rapidly"

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Re: Ebola Outbreak Now Third Largest Recorded and "Spreading Rapidly"

#41

Post by pjot »

hedora wrote: post #20
arjie wrote: post #11

> the US has “abdicated its longstanding role as a leader in global health and humanitarian response.” It’s interesting to note that in the end, there was no one else coming: we were it. A large amount of disease containment and control was just fronted by the United States. As the US declines, it’s not that a new leader will come in. It’s not that the Chinese century will have their massive industrial engine put to…

I think you are reading the situation incorrectly. The US was previously the center of international collaboration for science and technology, and that took decades to establish. The organization has been burnt down in 12 months, but the expertise still exists. There are signs that the international community will finally start working on climate change now that the US has pulled out of the treaties. The Chinese are…

  > The Chinese are a decade ahead of the west when it comes to building cars.
Is this true? From years of watching Top Gear any Chinese car that was tested was laughably bad.

Re: Ebola Outbreak Now Third Largest Recorded and "Spreading Rapidly"

#42

Post by m-s-y »

pjot wrote: post #41
hedora wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are reading the situation incorrectly. The US was previously the center of international collaboration for science and technology, and that took decades to establish. The organization has been burnt down in 12 months, but the expertise still exists. There are signs that the international community will finally start working on climate change now that the US has pulled out of the treaties. The Chinese are…

> The Chinese are a decade ahead of the west when it comes to building cars. Is this true? From years of watching Top Gear any Chinese car that was tested was laughably bad.

For EVs, yes, absolutely

Re: Ebola Outbreak Now Third Largest Recorded and "Spreading Rapidly"

#43

Post by e12e »

jmpman wrote: post #19

Grok is very defensive of Elon's role in the current Ebola outbreak. However if you push on Elon impacting Ebola monitoring, it will eventually admit that Elon's DOGE cancelled "some" Ebola prevention efforts very briefly, but in reality many Ebola related contracts and programs were not fully restored. "Surveillance capacity in eastern DRC weakened, contributing to the current Bundibugyo Ebola strain circulating und…

I was curious if the basic ai chatbots behaved differently - been a while since I tried the same prompt across models..:

Apparently Gemini is the late night news anchor:

https://g.co/gemini/share/3504289b8dc8

Chatgpt the art critic:

https://chatgpt.com/share/6a11e80e-523c-83ea-9a1b-03329f860c...

And grok somewhat of an apologist:

https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA_4071d2b9-ae39-43cc-abf1-cd...

Re: Ebola Outbreak Now Third Largest Recorded and "Spreading Rapidly"

#44

Post by jeremyjh »

BJones12 wrote: post #16
hedora wrote: post #12

Like Trump 1.0’s handling of COVID, this outbreak is going to spread further and faster than it would have if the US continued to pay for international health initiatives. Those initiatives inevitably cost far less than the economic impact of outbreaks (the US is currently diverting international travelers), but the best deal maker in the history of the universe says they’re a “bad deal”, so the rest of the planet ge…

> if the US continued to pay for international health initiatives There are ~197 countries in the world, you should also criticize the other 196 for also not wanting to pay for the exact same thing.

Maybe there should have been a plan. A period of notice and a transition plan. It couldn't happen, since the Trump administration does not believe in competence, only in spectacle.

Re: Ebola Outbreak Now Third Largest Recorded and "Spreading Rapidly"

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

BJones12 wrote: post #16
hedora wrote: post #12

Like Trump 1.0’s handling of COVID, this outbreak is going to spread further and faster than it would have if the US continued to pay for international health initiatives. Those initiatives inevitably cost far less than the economic impact of outbreaks (the US is currently diverting international travelers), but the best deal maker in the history of the universe says they’re a “bad deal”, so the rest of the planet ge…

> if the US continued to pay for international health initiatives There are ~197 countries in the world, you should also criticize the other 196 for also not wanting to pay for the exact same thing.

I'm American. I will criticize America. If you live in another country, you work there to improve how you help the least fortunate people on the planet. I'm not going to write letters to the government of Turkmenistan. It should also be noted America is the richest country in the history of the world so expecting to do more is quite reasonable.

Re: Ebola Outbreak Now Third Largest Recorded and "Spreading Rapidly"

#46

Post by WarmWash »

hedora wrote: post #20
arjie wrote: post #11

> the US has “abdicated its longstanding role as a leader in global health and humanitarian response.” It’s interesting to note that in the end, there was no one else coming: we were it. A large amount of disease containment and control was just fronted by the United States. As the US declines, it’s not that a new leader will come in. It’s not that the Chinese century will have their massive industrial engine put to…

I think you are reading the situation incorrectly. The US was previously the center of international collaboration for science and technology, and that took decades to establish. The organization has been burnt down in 12 months, but the expertise still exists. There are signs that the international community will finally start working on climate change now that the US has pulled out of the treaties. The Chinese are…

Trump is the populist candidate elected to put the US back on competitive economic footing.

His economic policy has way more overlap with Bernie's than people tend to understand. Both believe immigration lowers wages, and both believe tariffs are imperative (you have to dig back to pre-2017 talk from Bernie, he changed his website/talking points after Trump won).

Edit: People struggle so hard with politics because everyone is totally blinded by there side. Here are populist things Trump has done/trying to do

- remove taxes on tips

- implement tariffs on foreign goods

- implement strict immigration policy (note sanders wanted a pathway to citizenship, he did not want an open border, and he never addressed how he would handle millions showing up at the border)

- block corporate landlords from single family home ownership

- create a government funded college level education program to get free bachelor degrees.

- take government ownership stake in large American companies (us steel, intel)

- cap interest rates on credit cards

- lower central bank interest rates

- de-criminalizing drugs, reschedule marijuana

- pro crypto

- pro prediction markets

Guys, you can hate Trump, you can accurately access he isn't intelligent or competent, criticize his brutish approach, but if you cannot recognize he is a populist, you are objectively lost-in-the-sauce.

Re: Ebola Outbreak Now Third Largest Recorded and "Spreading Rapidly"

#47

Post by r721 »

christkv wrote: post #7

You are only infectious during illness and it requires contact with fluids. It's exasperated by local funeral rituals where people interact with the dead body and get infected.

The "coughing up blood" symptom can cause you to come into contact with fluids involuntarily.

Re: Ebola Outbreak Now Third Largest Recorded and "Spreading Rapidly"

#48

Post by somenameforme »

m-s-y wrote: post #42
pjot wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Chinese are a decade ahead of the west when it comes to building cars. Is this true? From years of watching Top Gear any Chinese car that was tested was laughably bad.

For EVs, yes, absolutely

Yip, outside the US BYD cars are absolutely everywhere, pretty awesome cars, and crazy cheap - like < $15k. Apparently < $10k within China itself.

Re: Ebola Outbreak Now Third Largest Recorded and "Spreading Rapidly"

#49

Post by WarmWash »

jmpman wrote: post #19

Grok is very defensive of Elon's role in the current Ebola outbreak. However if you push on Elon impacting Ebola monitoring, it will eventually admit that Elon's DOGE cancelled "some" Ebola prevention efforts very briefly, but in reality many Ebola related contracts and programs were not fully restored. "Surveillance capacity in eastern DRC weakened, contributing to the current Bundibugyo Ebola strain circulating und…

I understand the need for charity, and we should be doing it to support these countries.

But I don't see how to logically make the connection that when you pull that charity back, you are now responsible for any crisis.

That is exactly the argument that people who are against foreign aid make.

Like I will help you walk and feed your dog if you can't all the time, but if I stop doing that and your dog gets sick, that's not my fault and I'm not a bad person.

Re: Ebola Outbreak Now Third Largest Recorded and "Spreading Rapidly"

#50

Post by Groxx »

WarmWash wrote: post #46
hedora wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are reading the situation incorrectly. The US was previously the center of international collaboration for science and technology, and that took decades to establish. The organization has been burnt down in 12 months, but the expertise still exists. There are signs that the international community will finally start working on climate change now that the US has pulled out of the treaties. The Chinese are…

Trump is the populist candidate elected to put the US back on competitive economic footing. His economic policy has way more overlap with Bernie's than people tend to understand. Both believe immigration lowers wages, and both believe tariffs are imperative (you have to dig back to pre-2017 talk from Bernie, he changed his website/talking points after Trump won). Edit: People struggle so hard with politics because ev…

I sorta doubt Bernie would've been causing the insane tariff chaos that Trump is constantly doing. How it's done matters immensely.
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