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Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by nekzn »

embedding-shape wrote: post #26
thomastraum wrote: post #23

fantastic work. PSA: if you still think its not the time to fight for your rights for the status quo in privacy you will come to regret it. If you are the type of person who reads this type of news and thinks: "cool the system is working, it'll sort itself out" you will come to regret it. you will need to become more active or it will be taken away

Literally it'll sort itself out, as the bans are unconstitutional and more, law just takes long time and we have other shit to sort out before starting to panic about 3-5 Cloudflare IPs getting banned for 2 hours a week...

In Spain we have a domestic abuse law that is unconstitutional (different prison terms for men and women) and it has been there for a very long time.

What do you think are your chances of winning this in the constitutional court?

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by embedding-shape »

nekzn wrote: post #41
embedding-shape wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally it'll sort itself out, as the bans are unconstitutional and more, law just takes long time and we have other shit to sort out before starting to panic about 3-5 Cloudflare IPs getting banned for 2 hours a week...

In Spain we have a domestic abuse law that is unconstitutional (different prison terms for men and women) and it has been there for a very long time. What do you think are your chances of winning this in the constitutional court?

Are you talking about "Juzgados de Violencia Sobre la Mujer" or "Organic Act of Protection Measures against Gender Violence" or what are you lamenting? What law exactly and how is it unconstitutional?

If you're talking about that "gendered violence" gets different penalties compared to just "general violence", I think that's less about "different prison terms for men and women" but again, maybe you're talking about something else?

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by nekzn »

embedding-shape wrote: post #42
nekzn wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Spain we have a domestic abuse law that is unconstitutional (different prison terms for men and women) and it has been there for a very long time. What do you think are your chances of winning this in the constitutional court?

Are you talking about "Juzgados de Violencia Sobre la Mujer" or "Organic Act of Protection Measures against Gender Violence" or what are you lamenting? What law exactly and how is it unconstitutional? If you're talking about that "gendered violence" gets different penalties compared to just "general violence", I think that's less about "different prison terms for men and women" but again, maybe you're talking about s…

I’m talking about the LIVG which sets different prison terms for men and women for the same crimes.

Check articles 153, 171, and 172 of the Spanish Penal Code.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by dbbk »

embedding-shape wrote: post #37
swiftcoder wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> about 3-5 Cloudflare IPs getting banned You missed a few zeroes there buddy > According to LaLiga itself, around 3,000 IP addresses are blocked every weekend[1] [1] https://cybernews.com/news/cloudflare-spain-laliga-piracy-bl...

Which IPs that you use daily are actually affected by this though? I've been trying to keep track myself and so far in my months of collecting, I've noted down one service which is unavailable during the matches for me, Docker Hub, everything else seems to work today. Keep in mind, when they first started the blocks, a lot more was taken offline than what gets taken down when a match happens today, as they seem to co…

> Which IPs that you use daily are actually affected by this though?

My own company would get taken down.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by embedding-shape »

dbbk wrote: post #44
embedding-shape wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which IPs that you use daily are actually affected by this though? I've been trying to keep track myself and so far in my months of collecting, I've noted down one service which is unavailable during the matches for me, Docker Hub, everything else seems to work today. Keep in mind, when they first started the blocks, a lot more was taken offline than what gets taken down when a match happens today, as they seem to co…

> Which IPs that you use daily are actually affected by this though? My own company would get taken down.

Maybe don't use Cloudflare in front of your business if you know that doing so will make it unavailable for 2-3 hours per week? These blocks been happening for years, if you're still letting you be affected, maybe you want to provide a poor service to your users?

Most companies who used to use Cloudflare and actually want to be available to users, moved away a long time ago, it's a lot easier than many think.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by isodev »

swiftcoder wrote: post #2

> “Inside Spain, the consequences of indiscriminate IP blocking have become almost impossible to ignore,” NordVPN writes Too fucking right. It is beyond tiresome to fire up the laptop and wonder whether I'll need a VPN to access GitHub today

I hope there is a secondary effect to all this - that websites, operators and web apps look for alternatives instead of always using Cloudflare (who themselves are a kind of LaLiga just in a different vertical).

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by embedding-shape »

nekzn wrote: post #43
embedding-shape wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you talking about "Juzgados de Violencia Sobre la Mujer" or "Organic Act of Protection Measures against Gender Violence" or what are you lamenting? What law exactly and how is it unconstitutional? If you're talking about that "gendered violence" gets different penalties compared to just "general violence", I think that's less about "different prison terms for men and women" but again, maybe you're talking about s…

I’m talking about the LIVG which sets different prison terms for men and women for the same crimes. Check articles 153, 171, and 172 of the Spanish Penal Code.

It is not a general "men and women get different prison terms for all the same crimes" rule, it applies to specific offences and specific relationship/victim categories. The Constitutional Court has also upheld it, meaning it's quite literally not unconstitutional.

For the people following along at home, parent is talking about "Ley Orgánica 1/2004, de 28 de diciembre, de Medidas de Protección Integral contra la Violencia de Género" AKA LIVG, which is a law containing gender-violence provisions aimed at a specific form of inequality in intimate-partner violence, as we (Spain) has a lot of that.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by embedding-shape »

isodev wrote: post #46
swiftcoder wrote: post #2

> “Inside Spain, the consequences of indiscriminate IP blocking have become almost impossible to ignore,” NordVPN writes Too fucking right. It is beyond tiresome to fire up the laptop and wonder whether I'll need a VPN to access GitHub today

I hope there is a secondary effect to all this - that websites, operators and web apps look for alternatives instead of always using Cloudflare (who themselves are a kind of LaLiga just in a different vertical).

The blocks been going on for around/almost two years now, the ones who cared about remaining online for their users during the La Liga matches they do the blocks (not all of them anymore it seems) already moved, the only ones left on Cloudflare seems to be some people that refuse to move away regardless of how their users are impacted by it.

I think it's the same group of people who experience AWS downtime while having all their infrastructure there then go "Well, we're tried nothing and we're all out of ideas, guess we'll blame upstream".

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by nekzn »

embedding-shape wrote: post #47
nekzn wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m talking about the LIVG which sets different prison terms for men and women for the same crimes. Check articles 153, 171, and 172 of the Spanish Penal Code.

It is not a general "men and women get different prison terms for all the same crimes" rule, it applies to specific offences and specific relationship/victim categories. The Constitutional Court has also upheld it, meaning it's quite literally not unconstitutional. For the people following along at home, parent is talking about "Ley Orgánica 1/2004, de 28 de diciembre, de Medidas de Protección Integral contra la Viol…

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Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by embedding-shape »

nekzn wrote: post #49
embedding-shape wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not a general "men and women get different prison terms for all the same crimes" rule, it applies to specific offences and specific relationship/victim categories. The Constitutional Court has also upheld it, meaning it's quite literally not unconstitutional. For the people following along at home, parent is talking about "Ley Orgánica 1/2004, de 28 de diciembre, de Medidas de Protección Integral contra la Viol…

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Having gone through the same tiring conversation with 80% of all the maschistas around me in real-life, then also hearing about it on TV every single day when a new woman gets murded by her ex/husband/boyfriend, I rather not bring in the same off-topic conversation into HN.

It's sunny today, finally getting a bit warmer today and the chiringuito just opened, I'm gonna go have some croquetas de pollo and enjoy the day at the beach, I hope your day will be similarly pleasant!

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