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Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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Post by sebstefan »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #40
johnea wrote: post #14

I don't read bsky due to javascript requirement. Here are some sources that don't require js: https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/ocasio-... https://www.commondreams.org/news/aoc-data-centers-water https://www.rawstory.com/aoc-data-center-drinking-water/

> I don't read bsky due to javascript requirement. They also openly display communist symbols that are banned in much of Europe.

Most of europe has communist parties running in elections and getting non negligible scores, then alliances and seats in parliaments, municipal councils, ...

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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Post by dzhiurgis »

KevinMS wrote: post #8

Happens at my house sometimes. And has also happened at my previous apartments. Looks exactly the same. When they do construction on water pipes some of the sediment gets in and has to be cleared by the neighborhood. She is either lying or doesn't know what she's talking about. I also guarantee she shook up the bottle before her presentation because the sediment would have settled after a few hours.

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Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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Post by dzhiurgis »

sebstefan wrote: post #41
dzhiurgis wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't read bsky due to javascript requirement. They also openly display communist symbols that are banned in much of Europe.

Most of europe has communist parties running in elections and getting non negligible scores, then alliances and seats in parliaments, municipal councils, ...

7 out of 719 MEP seats.

Also you need to look up what is a communist symbol.

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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Post by Ferret7446 »

mmh0000 wrote: post #39
tracker1 wrote: post #33

I'm not sure if/how much of these (water) issues are the data centers themselves vs poor water management or other issues. Most water use in data centers should be able to be self-sufficient, mostly closed, and filtered/reusable locally... It's not like manufacturing. Now, power usage is another story entirely and is outright concerning and should probably require a nuclear plant near some of these data centers as ne…

> Most water use in data centers should be able to be self-sufficient, mostly closed [Citation Needed] My understanding is that data centers CAN use closed-loop systems. But, most don't if they're not forced to, because it costs more than evaporating towers. According to this[1], 88% of water-cooled data-centers use open-loop evaporation towers. "up to 85% of the water data centers use evaporates and does not return…

> up to 85% of the water data centers use evaporates and does not return to the water supply

Because the water vapor undergoes antimatter annihilation in the atmosphere so the molecules disappear I suppose?

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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Post by tzs »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #44
mmh0000 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most water use in data centers should be able to be self-sufficient, mostly closed [Citation Needed] My understanding is that data centers CAN use closed-loop systems. But, most don't if they're not forced to, because it costs more than evaporating towers. According to this[1], 88% of water-cooled data-centers use open-loop evaporation towers. "up to 85% of the water data centers use evaporates and does not return…

> up to 85% of the water data centers use evaporates and does not return to the water supply Because the water vapor undergoes antimatter annihilation in the atmosphere so the molecules disappear I suppose?

It ends up in someone's water supply, evntually, but not necessarily the water supply they got it from.

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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Post by yogthos »

OutOfHere wrote: post #18

Most of these AI datacenters need to be moved to space. For many AI uses, the resulting latency would be altogether acceptable.

nothing about data centres in space makes sense if you understand even a modicum of physics https://taranis.ie/datacenters-in-space-are-a-terrible-horri...

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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Post by OutOfHere »

yogthos wrote: post #46
OutOfHere wrote: post #18

Most of these AI datacenters need to be moved to space. For many AI uses, the resulting latency would be altogether acceptable.

nothing about data centres in space makes sense if you understand even a modicum of physics https://taranis.ie/datacenters-in-space-are-a-terrible-horri...

The primary argument of the article is that cooling in space is limited, that GPUs emit significant heat, that this is the primary blocker. Well, as it stands, datacenters aren't effectively cooling on the Earth. They're passing their heat to the planet, and are heating up the planet. They're producing significant CO2 emissions, and using up the water and electricity resources of communities. The problems from having datacenters on Earth far exceed having them in space.

In space, it's a closed small system, so the equations are immediately apparent. On Earth we just make it the next generation's problem.

The ISS is constrained by being in Earth orbit. There however is absolutely no reason for datacenters to be in Earth orbit, and so they have much larger space available to them for radiative cooling while being in solar orbit.

As for the hardware, it cannot be what we use on Earth. It has to be hardened chips for use in space.

If you lack an imagination, it's your problem, and societally it will cost us everything. I advise scrolling down on your linked page to read the comments by Saha, etc.

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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Post by Timon3 »

ecshafer wrote: post #35
yfw wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rushed construction affecting well water https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8gy7lv448o

So its nothing to do with a data center, its something any large scale building could cause.

Are we supposed to conveniently ignore the mountains of money currently being shoveled into building new data centers as quickly as possible without any regard for negative externalities?

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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Post by sometimelurker »

johnea wrote: post #14

I don't read bsky due to javascript requirement. Here are some sources that don't require js: https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/ocasio-... https://www.commondreams.org/news/aoc-data-centers-water https://www.rawstory.com/aoc-data-center-drinking-water/

should the whole AT-protocol thing make it easy to programmaticly access it, no js? Im genuinely asking, never used it

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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Post by sometimelurker »

I think anti-ai people should find something better than water to complain about. its too hard to explain to people why a billion gpus might need water ("isn't water bad for computers", "the water just gets recycled" ect), and honestly I don't think I fully get it. Talking about the electricity and CO2 might be easier, or job losses, or x-risk, but water is too abstract.
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