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News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

#41

Of course they are, because they are not primarily concerned with the reporting of noteworthy events. They are most worried about profit with the secondary goal of reporting but only insofar as it serves the first goal. This is a wider trend across many industries. Obviously, a business needs to have an income but it's becoming more common for businesses to function first and foremast as revenue generators and the th…

When it comes to the companies named here, I would argue that they have shown that reporting isn't even a secondary goal or a goal at all. Journalists don't even make that much money, but they've still gutted newsrooms very thoroughly. I assume that they already have people working on setting up an LLM connected to feeds of press releases, government announcements, public police crime reports, prominent social media accounts, etc. to create a repository of slop they can use (which will bear a vague resesmblance to 'news') without having even one reporter employed. And then they'll try to sell access to that slop feed back to the AI vendor (which hopefully won't buy it).

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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post #35

> "as profit margins for news thin, it’s only become more important to news publishers to protect their intellectual property." So their argument is that people who would be paying money at their paywalls, are going to IA to get their news for free? And if they can thwart those people, they'll show up and become monthly subscribers? I am vaguely sympathetic to newspapers as a concept, though the actually owners of ap…

IA is sort of caught in the middle of a conflict it didn't ask for, here. The same tools that allow IA to do it's work are also used by Google to scrape and resell the news. There are ways to allow one usage without the other - but the simpler and more foolproof approach is to block both.

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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There really should be a micropayments setup on the internet that's not advertising based. Let these models pay a nickel to read the article, covered by the multi trillion dollar AI blank check.

There's a river of cash flowing to the pockets of the wealthy and to the megalomaniac projects of hyperscaler, but not to drip a few pennies onto the pockets of people providing such an important public service as journalists.

Good.

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

#45

There really should be a micropayments setup on the internet that's not advertising based. Let these models pay a nickel to read the article, covered by the multi trillion dollar AI blank check.

Cloudflare is trying to push for that, but every time it's mentioned people complain (because they hate Cloudflare for making them wait 2s for a captcha) and nobody proposes an alternative solution. I don't think this is going to happen, unfortunately, and the internet will get silo-ed into oblivion.

My issue with cloudflare is that if I run a VPN it randomly just locks up. Coin toss I can get through if I am routing thorough another country.

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

#49

They should allow access after the news becomes old. That's what the archive is intended for.

Agreed. IA should take snapshots of the articles over time and then make them publicly available X months/years later. There's no reason to immediately publicly mirror the articles beyond people trying to get around paywalls.

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's definitely a copyright nightmare - so no clue how this could work. It could work as a decentralized free and open source system that doesn't care about copyright. Like how torrents work now, but it would be good to have it work over Tor or something. Perhaps as a DAO for the management aspect of it. I don't know how exactly. But disregarding copyright by using a centralized company is the wrong idea. Or you ca…

Tor is a honeypot run my government intel operations. Don't use it.

How about I2P?
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