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Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by embedding-shape »

blanched wrote: post #30
embedding-shape wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh, I'm getting more frustrated with the ever-coming flood of "Bah I didn't read because it was obvious AI blah blah" which seemingly every single submission HAS to come with nowadays on HN, god forbid someone is more interested in the content than the flow of the words. If you have specific complaints about the text and content, bring those up instead, and we could discuss those or even correct the linked page itse…

On the one hand, I get what you mean. Some genuinely interesting projects are immediately dismissed because AI was involved. On the other hand, I have two real problems with AI writing. 1. LLM prose is genuinely unpleasant to read. Its the exact same way that I strongly dislike reading LinkedIn posts or email marketing copy. It's all the same slimy tone that's using a certain sentence structure and rhetoric to try to…

> LLM prose is genuinely unpleasant to read

What exact parts from the submission are "genuinely unpleasant to read" right now? Highlighting those could make it better rather than just filling HN with "LLM texts is boring to read".

> Sometimes it feels like someone asking you to read an article with no punctuation or grammar

Ok, but is that actually the problem here, or why are you adding more general complaints instead of focusing on the actual submission article?

If you don't like it, don't read it, don't contribute to the discussion, I don't understand this obsession with "must let others know I don't like LLM writing, although I'm not 100% sure this submission actually suffers from the issues I don't like with LLM writing".

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by sschueller »

himata4113 wrote: post #19

Does anyone know why the binary blobs cannot be reverse engineered in the age of AI and recompiled to closely match the original source? Is it for legal reasons? Is it firmware signatures?

They probably can many things but I think things like memory timing is something you can't just easily reverse engineer from a blob. You need to test every state that the device can be in and see how the blob responds which is quite difficult.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by embedding-shape »

karlgkk wrote: post #39
embedding-shape wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh, I'm getting more frustrated with the ever-coming flood of "Bah I didn't read because it was obvious AI blah blah" which seemingly every single submission HAS to come with nowadays on HN, god forbid someone is more interested in the content than the flow of the words. If you have specific complaints about the text and content, bring those up instead, and we could discuss those or even correct the linked page itse…

If you can’t be bothered to write it, I can’t be bothered to read it.

But still be bothered to leave a generic complain on HN, which you ideally can copy-paste across all potential LLM-written comments? Something doesn't add up there, don't spend energy writing the comments if you cannot even be bothered to read it because no one was bothered to write it.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by monegator »

R_mand wrote: post #23
monegator wrote: post #11

No binary blobs. Not even cellular and wifi?

You’re right. That would be hard with some of the vendors. Were blobs a big problem before?

i can understand blob for radios: by only using a signed blob you are restricting a malicious user from abusing the radio.

However, the problem with binary blobs is that they are binary blobs: no sources, can't make changes, can't adapt them to work on a new system, can't audit them. Free folks have always argued that a computer will never be free if there are binary blobs in there

(well: the last part is not really true, there is always a way to have a custom firmware, or make an audit, but the manufacturer will do that only for elite customers. Not for open source folks.)

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by speedgoose »

bonsai_spool wrote: post #27
armchairhacker wrote: post #13

Can someone explain why Flipper is making these decisions, or what advantages Flipper One has vs a Flipper Zero, RPI, and Linux machine? The (EDIT2: maybe not) AI writing doesn’t help. EDIT: looking more, it seems like the goal is to be a fun project like Playdate, except a Linux multi-tool instead of game console. Which is actually great, a step towards healing today’s corporatized tech culture. It’s unfortunate tha…

> The AI writing doesn’t help. Why do you say there is AI writing?

The writing style.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by LastTrain »

chuckadams wrote: post #36
bonsai_spool wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The AI writing doesn’t help. Why do you say there is AI writing?

Anything that anyone ever writes from now on has people coming out of the woodwork to accuse it of being AI-written. I too bemoan what the written word is coming to, but I am also so over the Slop Police, and wish they would just keep the conclusions of their sleuthing to themselves from now on.

I appreciate that some sites state explicitly whether AI was used in content creation. I wish it were the social norm.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by bradfa »

himata4113 wrote: post #19

Does anyone know why the binary blobs cannot be reverse engineered in the age of AI and recompiled to closely match the original source? Is it for legal reasons? Is it firmware signatures?

Many silicon vendors, when providing said binary blobs to a device OEM or even just documentation or source code for the binary blobs, will make companies agree to a license or other legal terms which prohibits reverse engineering. Often the direct recipient of the binary blobs (the OEM of the device) cannot legally let their employees nor contractors perform the reverse engineering.

Generally, unless a similar license or legal terms are required to be agreed to by the end user, nothing stops the end user from reversing said binary blobs. But before you attempt this, be sure you fully understand every legal document which was presented to you by the device vendor. Click-through EULAs included.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by xandrius »

kuerbel wrote: post #20
jdalgetty wrote: post #16

I want it but I do not need it.

I will buy one, use it once and then it will gather dust. Such is life

Same! I'd love to get one just in case but $200 for just in case is a lot.

I wish someone sent me one of theirs gathering dust for free, lol

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by Zababa »

>We want to train a specialized AI model that knows Flipper One's internals and applications inside out, so general-purpose models won't cut it. We invite the community to get involved.

I think a general purpose model would actually cut it pretty well if it has access to proper documentation and search. Since everything will be OSS, the model can have "full" introspection of the system.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by monegator »

embedding-shape wrote: post #26
ctenb wrote: post #21

Most articles I click on in the HN homepage turn out to be written by AI, judging from the phrasing. I'm weirded out by the fact that people don't seem to find it important to write their own thoughts down. The writing in TFA is clearly supervised by a human, but still, the wording is not human at all.

Tbh, I'm getting more frustrated with the ever-coming flood of "Bah I didn't read because it was obvious AI blah blah" which seemingly every single submission HAS to come with nowadays on HN, god forbid someone is more interested in the content than the flow of the words. If you have specific complaints about the text and content, bring those up instead, and we could discuss those or even correct the linked page itse…

It is exhausting to always have to read word salads with little content.

Every single fucking article with 20 lines of introduction before you get a chance for actual content. LLM slop then dilutes the information, and LLM slop always read the same way. You know, how easy it is to spot LLM generated content, it is actually refreshing when you can tell it's a human.

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