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Artificial egg hatched 26 healthy chickens

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Re: Artificial egg hatched 26 healthy chickens

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I've just started listening to the book "Brave new world" (no spoilers please!) and this is literally how the book begins (but with humans) - what could possibly go wrong!

No spoilers, but I used to think, along the lines of Neil Postman in Amusing Ourselves to Death, that Brave New World wound up being the more accurate picture of future society than 1984, despite being less well-known and referenced in cultural consciousness. Unfortunately, it seems like the former may be enabling the latter, so we may end up with a “porque no los dos” situation.

I haven't read Brave New World but "We" by Evgeny Zamyatin left a similar impression on me, it's more subtle than 1984. It came out earlier than both books by the Western authors - even though Zamyatin was inspired while working in England in early 20th century.

Re: Artificial egg hatched 26 healthy chickens

#43
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we wanted to pump out human slaves now, I don't think the main obstacle is that we can't find enough women to bear them.

If they are born of woman, they would be human. If they are made, we can re-label them as machines and give them lesser rights. And make ourselves feel better about treating them as lower class by some 'justification', like they don't have souls. Perhaps some gene editing to give them 'blue' skin, some non-historically-biased-color to identify them. Really. There are ton of books with these themes already. I'm not sa…

Gene editing is a whole different topic. And only the very first one would need to be "born of woman".

Artificial eggs are basically irrelevant to the dystopia you're describing.

Re: Artificial egg hatched 26 healthy chickens

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post #28

I always knew that egg came first.

requires real hen for fertilization and laying

Huh… from the original Nat Geo article:

  scientists inspect eggs newly laid by real hens within 24 to 48 hours. They select the most promising ones, crack them open, and delicately pour the contents—everything but the shell—into the artificial egg structure. But everything that happened before then, from fertilization to egg laying, required a real chicken.

Re: Artificial egg hatched 26 healthy chickens

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we wanted to pump out human slaves now, I don't think the main obstacle is that we can't find enough women to bear them.

If they are born of woman, they would be human. If they are made, we can re-label them as machines and give them lesser rights. And make ourselves feel better about treating them as lower class by some 'justification', like they don't have souls. Perhaps some gene editing to give them 'blue' skin, some non-historically-biased-color to identify them. Really. There are ton of books with these themes already. I'm not sa…

What is "it", exactly? I have probably read some of the same dystopian science fiction novels as you have. But this is Jurassic Park, not A Brave New World.

Re: Artificial egg hatched 26 healthy chickens

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they are born of woman, they would be human. If they are made, we can re-label them as machines and give them lesser rights. And make ourselves feel better about treating them as lower class by some 'justification', like they don't have souls. Perhaps some gene editing to give them 'blue' skin, some non-historically-biased-color to identify them. Really. There are ton of books with these themes already. I'm not sa…

Yeah but there's also the book where we make people in a lab and they're great and everyone lives happily ever after forever. Don't cherry-pick your data.

So I'm not providing a good literary survey of books with similar tropes and providing some of the positive ones? There are literally half dozen very famous negative examples, but I didn't do good enough search to find a positive one?

That would be like every comment on AI should include some example from The Culture Series as an example that all this AI stuff could great.

Re: Artificial egg hatched 26 healthy chickens

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but there's also the book where we make people in a lab and they're great and everyone lives happily ever after forever. Don't cherry-pick your data.

So I'm not providing a good literary survey of books with similar tropes and providing some of the positive ones? There are literally half dozen very famous negative examples, but I didn't do good enough search to find a positive one? That would be like every comment on AI should include some example from The Culture Series as an example that all this AI stuff could great.

No man, it's just that saying "this scenario is popular because it makes for a good story therefore it'll happen in reality" is an absurd point to make.

Re: Artificial egg hatched 26 healthy chickens

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This article is so strange. It is written by the company, but written in a way that an outsider would write. > Colossal has not released its hatch rate for the 26 chickens, which limits direct comparison to prior shell-free systems. The announcement was also made without an accompanying peer-reviewed paper or publicly released dataset, meaning independent scientists have not yet been able to evaluate the underlying m…

It says at the bottom: > This story is based on original reporting by Christina Larson for National Geographic. Read the full feature on National Geographic https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/artificia...

Ok, we've switched the URL to that link from https://colossal.com/colossal-biosciences-artificial-egg-dod... above. Thanks!
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