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Re: There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going

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What's wrong with the Polish author example?

According to "experts", you have to suffer to make good art. She used a tool that reduced that suffering phase, so she's "garbage" now. I don't know about AI, but I think the main problem nowadays is that a growing number of people can only deal with binary categories, either it's godly or it's trash. To conclude, anything that is not written with a stone tablet is garbage.

What if you're a poet and use a rhyming dictionary now and then?

Re: There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going

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The commencement/graduating speeches including AI in the video at the end are infuriating. The message from people giving those speeches is literally "deal with it" and how tone deaf do they have to be to patronize those booing students with "I understand your fear". The graduation episode where the AI readout missing some student names and then the college saying "we used AI to readout and some names were missed. We…

I know calling anti-AI people luddites was considered a shallow strawman in 2024 but now I can't help but feel this position of "we should maybe slow down the developement and adoption of new tech to protect jobs / social order / the old way of life" fits luddism well?

Re: There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going

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LLMs as a technology are neutral and largely act as amplifiers. Now, there is not an ounce of decency between our SV overlords and I have zero trust they will choose to amplify the right things. On the contrary, their apparent ideal state is a vast swath of technoserfs force fed ever more content and ads and more content, getting by on Uber-for-everything, where you spend what little money you have saved up being a d…

I don't agree with the repeated mantra that technology is neutral because the creation, maintenance and promotion of technology requires lots of resources and a lot of choices. A lot of conscious effort goes into creating things, and to change the thing after someone uses it. Make it better, make it safer, make it easier to use, etc. That doesn't feel neutral to me.

Re: There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going

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Contrary to the chorus, I find this mad episode in our history has been going surprisingly well. I mean, it's a lot to process and the speed is ludicrous. What did we expect? What is the baseline? 80% approval in face of unprecedented uncertainty? We are adjusting, we talk about things. I hope we will keep doing that.

AI has ruined blogs, programming, killed girls in Iran and is used as an excuse for firing people. And you think it is going surprisingly well?

It isn't. People are beginning to wake up now from their propaganda-induced sleep during the first three years. It is always the same. People are trusting and initially believe the con artists.

Re: There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bringing up Neuralink or medical use of LLMs is not an argument for allowing the theft. Anthropic etc. are free to start a prosthetics company and scrap their regular offerings. You are then allowed to use AI with a prescription.

This. As an artist I wouldnt have an issue with AI if it wouldnt be just generative generating full, fleshed out pieces. If AI is used allowing actual artists to use a brush or pen again and actually allows them expressing themselves through their own work, it would be great. People seem to think generating art from stolen pieces by typing 4 sentences in a prompt window is equal to this. It isn't. It is not true expr…

If a human can learn from existing art and information, how is that different from an AI learning on the same? Or replace AI with a new sentient being that is discovered.

What one does with the learning seems to be the issue. If a human exactly reproduced anothers' artwork, that'd be copying.

Re: There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. As an artist I wouldnt have an issue with AI if it wouldnt be just generative generating full, fleshed out pieces. If AI is used allowing actual artists to use a brush or pen again and actually allows them expressing themselves through their own work, it would be great. People seem to think generating art from stolen pieces by typing 4 sentences in a prompt window is equal to this. It isn't. It is not true expr…

If a human can learn from existing art and information, how is that different from an AI learning on the same? Or replace AI with a new sentient being that is discovered. What one does with the learning seems to be the issue. If a human exactly reproduced anothers' artwork, that'd be copying.

Yes and actual artists acknowledge copies. Art is a craft and if the copy is well made by actual human skill you can value it. AI artists act like printing out the Mona Lisa is their own art, skill and expression.

Re: There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going

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LLMs as a technology are neutral and largely act as amplifiers. Now, there is not an ounce of decency between our SV overlords and I have zero trust they will choose to amplify the right things. On the contrary, their apparent ideal state is a vast swath of technoserfs force fed ever more content and ads and more content, getting by on Uber-for-everything, where you spend what little money you have saved up being a d…

I don't agree with the repeated mantra that technology is neutral because the creation, maintenance and promotion of technology requires lots of resources and a lot of choices. A lot of conscious effort goes into creating things, and to change the thing after someone uses it. Make it better, make it safer, make it easier to use, etc. That doesn't feel neutral to me.

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Re: There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going

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I was surprised to find out how much hate there is for AI in art. An artist, Yuumei, is the perfect candidate to use AI– drawing by hand since early 2000s, wrist injury precluding heavy work. People seem to think art should be done only by humans, that AI steals art, and is bad for the environment. But she wants to use it to be able to produce the work she wants, including comics with lots of art and such. Given that…

> I was surprised to find out how much hate there is for AI in art.

I'm surprised you're surprised.

Giant corpos steal work from millions of independent artists and the State ruled that IP laws didn't apply to them, only to us common mortals.

Re: There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going

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I will argue that we are going forward - for better or for worse. In my humble opinion, taking into account the sad state of the world today, any change is welcomed.

The problem is that we are pushed forward, not going at our own pace. In his commencement speech that got booed by the audience, Eric Schmidt says, "When someone offers you a seat on the rocketship, you do not ask which seat. You just get on. [...] Find a way to say yes." That's the billionaire class telling you where your place is in their plan for the world. Nobody asks if you even want to leave the planet, figurat…

Also, don't forget what he said about "arrogant programmers". His plan is to make the (in his view inferior) human workers redundant, and I do not see why anyone who still has some idealism in them and is just about to enter the work force would applaud him for his tone-deaf speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZuTlm00X2E&t=121s

Re: There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going

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I will argue that we are going forward - for better or for worse. In my humble opinion, taking into account the sad state of the world today, any change is welcomed.

There is a good chance AI will magnify the current problems, especially regarding inequality, poverty, hunger and environmental exploitation.
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