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Anthropic Is Preparing for IPO and We Should Be Worried

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Re: Anthropic Is Preparing for IPO and We Should Be Worried

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How is that an issue? Many funds that replicate an index are not doing full replication anyway. They do some kind of sampling that includes way fewer stocks than defined in the index. What would stop a fund from just not including those stocks because of sampling? Or waiting for time to settle, since even with full physical replication, they are not required to jump in and buy immediately after IPO.

Index funds make legal commitments to replicate the entire index. I have no idea why you think they use sampling. The whole point of an index fund is I'm not paying someone to try to guess what stocks are going to under/over perform the S&P. And when they are required to buy is not really a mystery either. they have very little discretion.

NASDAQ did changes to be able to fast track SpaceX, S&P is looking at the same as far as I understood: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/new-rule-could-fast-track-spa...

Re: Anthropic Is Preparing for IPO and We Should Be Worried

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I hope price increases will mean we see serious moves towards open source and/or on device models. Feels like that's where we should all be headed but the current subsidy is a distraction.

On device is still meh. Realistically Apple needs to put a few teams on it, and have built in support for running LLMs on OSX. I assume if you integrate this on an OS level you might be able to pull off some additional tricks. So far most of the tools for running LLMs locally have been driven by volunteers or very small startups. Microsoft could also do this, but they're too busy trying to upsell everyone. Microsoft…

Apple has the edge here since they fully control the hardware and can baseline their implementation. It feels like Microsoft's task is much harder because there's a much broader range of hardware and capabilities that they need to support.

Re: Anthropic Is Preparing for IPO and We Should Be Worried

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There is indirect exposure to Anthropic/OpenAI through all the incestuous partnerships between hyperscalers and NVDA

Exactly. Google has SpaceX stock. To make matters worse all the banks, insurers and investment firms in that S&P list are likely in there somewhere too. I'm sure I'm missing a whole lot more.

Indirect exposure is just a completely different beast than direct exposure. It’s a different level of risk altogether

Re: Anthropic Is Preparing for IPO and We Should Be Worried

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Anthropic, OpenAI and SpaceX all want to IPO within this year. There's just not enough money in the market to buy all those shares. So people might sell their shares in other companies to buy in at the IPO, then when the next one goes public they might sell the shares they just bought to jump onto the next one and so on. I don't think that there was a situation like this ever before.

> There's just not enough money in the market to buy all those shares What are you basing this on?

They might be conflating the valuation of these three companies with one of the recent analyses that the presumed valuation of the current “AI Economy” is an order of magnitude over the valuation of the total wealth of the world.

Re: Anthropic Is Preparing for IPO and We Should Be Worried

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Anthropic, OpenAI and SpaceX all want to IPO within this year. There's just not enough money in the market to buy all those shares. So people might sell their shares in other companies to buy in at the IPO, then when the next one goes public they might sell the shares they just bought to jump onto the next one and so on. I don't think that there was a situation like this ever before.

> There's just not enough money in the market to buy all those shares What are you basing this on?

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Re: Anthropic Is Preparing for IPO and We Should Be Worried

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I have been sounding the alarm on my team that the current edict to go all-in and not plan features ("we can just throw it away and rebuild it"), not read code ("the agents should do all the coding and review") is something that will end up being a medium term regret since there will be a day of reckoning with pricing.

My sense is that these companies actively need the audience of developers to have their ability to read and write code atrophy and even stunt the growth of early- and mid-career engineers; create the dependency.

It will be interesting to see how this works out because some parts of the equation should get better over time (better algos, better infra), but there are now billions of dollars of investment to recoup and it will continue to be an arms race that requires more money.

Re: Anthropic Is Preparing for IPO and We Should Be Worried

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It’s going to be an interesting period ahead. The market is going to struggle to absorb SpaceX, OpenAI, Anthropic and others. They’re just massive relative to typical IPOs. Maybe one can sneak through but not all. Someone is going to have to have a very bad day and it’s not clear who yet. Separately there’s a big battle to keep these folks out of the S&P index, because many funds (some of whom are required to buy ind…

Regarding S&P: That is my acute concern. For individual investors, they can be removed by taking an a short position corresponding to the stock's index weight. (I do this for TSLA). More broadly, it exposes people who only use index funds or don't have shorting in their tool box (passive investors for example) to big risk.

Tesla is currently 2.2% of S&P 500. If it halves, losing $800,000,000,000 usd market cap, the index will go down by 1.1%. What big risk?

Re: Anthropic Is Preparing for IPO and We Should Be Worried

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic, OpenAI and SpaceX all want to IPO within this year. There's just not enough money in the market to buy all those shares. So people might sell their shares in other companies to buy in at the IPO, then when the next one goes public they might sell the shares they just bought to jump onto the next one and so on. I don't think that there was a situation like this ever before.

> There's just not enough money in the market to buy all those shares What are you basing this on?

The amount of new shares for sale could be very large in those three IPOs:

SpaceX: up to $75B [1]

OpenAI: at least $60B [2]

Anthropic: more than $60B [3]

Together, that would be about $195B+ of IPO shares to buy.

For comparison, all U.S. IPOs together raised $44.0B in 2025 [4].

All IPOs in the world together raised $171.8B in 2025 [5].

So where should the money come from? Either from selling shares in other companies or from loaning money which would only make sense if the Fed brings back ZIRP.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/spacex-ta...

[2] https://www.reuters.com/business/openai-lays-groundwork-jugg...

[3] https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/anthropic-c...

[4] https://www.renaissancecapital.com/review/2025USReview_Publi...

[5] https://www.ey.com/en_ie/newsroom/2026/01/global-ipo-market-...

Re: Anthropic Is Preparing for IPO and We Should Be Worried

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On device is still meh. Realistically Apple needs to put a few teams on it, and have built in support for running LLMs on OSX. I assume if you integrate this on an OS level you might be able to pull off some additional tricks. So far most of the tools for running LLMs locally have been driven by volunteers or very small startups. Microsoft could also do this, but they're too busy trying to upsell everyone. Microsoft…

Apple has the edge here since they fully control the hardware and can baseline their implementation. It feels like Microsoft's task is much harder because there's a much broader range of hardware and capabilities that they need to support.

Microsoft sells hardware. Surface laptops.

Microsoft has spent a lot of time telling people to buy AI ready PCs.

I just don't think it's in their business model to offer on device LLM. They want you to subscribe to Copilot. Which encapsulates the entire enshitication of Windows. Microsoft demands more money. Subscribe to gamepass, subscribe to OneDrive!

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