They would get a lot more ROI by just investing in making products that don’t taste like shit. Note that some of their products have been enshitified so much that they can’t even legally be called chocolate in some jurisdictions. It’s cheap filler designed to simulate chocolate. Agentic AI is not going to solve that.
Hershey Bets on Agentic AI to Rethink $2B in Marketing Spend
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Re: Hershey Bets on Agentic AI to Rethink $2B in Marketing Spend
#42> “We were getting the full read of 2024 [data] midway through 2025, while we were planning for 2026,” said Vinny Rinaldi, vp of media and marketing technology at Hershey. “That alone is just not conducive to where marketers need to be.” Irrespective of AI, it's astounding that companies have been throwing $2bn/yr at marketing, and their analytics data on that spend is delayed 6-18 months. That's nearly 15% of their…
Could be worse. Steve Levitt has a story about working out ad spend causality and actively ignoring the truth[1]: > LEVITT: And they said to me "[...] One time we hired this summer intern and his job was to do the newspaper inserts for Pittsburgh, and the guy was so incompetent that he just didn’t do it. And when the C.E.O. found that out, he said, ‘If you ever do that again, you’re all fired.’ > LEVITT: So, I said t…
Re: Hershey Bets on Agentic AI to Rethink $2B in Marketing Spend
#43What AI actually does Mutinex has built what it describes as a “multi-agent system,” where each agent acts as a domain specialist. For example, one agent understands marketing econometrics, another understands competitive pricing theory, another diagnoses model failures. By combining Tracer, which cleans and makes sense of Hershey’s data infrastructure, with Mutinex’s AI system, Hershey is now able run models in as l…
This could be anything from "we put a prompt in front of chat-gpt that says 'you are an expert in marketing econometrics'" to "we built a model trained exclusively on marketing econometrics material"
No matter what they actually did, the agent (assuming its an LLM) doesn't understand marketing econometrics, instead it's tuned to produce output tokens that I suppose make more sense when the topic is marketing econometrics.
I'm not an LLM detractor, but I find the kind of thinking that's become prevalent to be so squishy. Humans are great anthropomorphizers and it seems today that no one is attempting to hit the brakes on that instinct. The models don't understand anything, in the way that we commonly use the term understand.
It seems we've confused ourselves because the box that doesn't understand marketing econometrics can produce marketing econometrics analysis and when we ask it why it came to such and such conclusion it can produce convincing explanations.
As an aside, I also feel like I've heard this for 30 years about marketing. Marketing is everywhere, the surveillance economy tracks our every move in more and more invasive ways every day, and still companies go "Aw shucks, we just can't make sense of this data." It reminds me of a time when I was working for Abercrombie and Fitch and there was this massive report our team was partially responsible for generating. 500+ pages, generated everyday, sent to a high speed printer from a COBOL job every morning at 5am so that 10-15 copies could be made for the executives. It had *all the data* and each executive had their own little ritual around which bits they thought were important.
Throughout my career as an engineer I've been asked to get more data, more data, more data. Process the data, analyze the data, create some graphs and tables and help people understand the data.
One thing I've realized is that the people demanding all this data, all this insight, all this analysis, are unlikely to actually need it or use it when available. They are tasked with making decisions, and decisions are scary because you can make the wrong one. They would love to not make the decision and maybe you can find enough data that the choices get cut down to just one. Then if it ends up wrong they aren't to blame, the data made them make that decision.
So all of this surveillance, all of this analysis, all of this data is likely just to make some person feel a bit more comfortable about making a decision.
Re: Hershey Bets on Agentic AI to Rethink $2B in Marketing Spend
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
The “vomit” flavor in Hershey’s base chocolate (which is quite strong for those with good pallets) is butyric acid which comes from aggressive processing of the milk before it’s put in the chocolate. There’s also very little actual chocolate in the final product (compared to other products) which allows these flavors to come out strong vs the chocolate dominating the pallet. So folks aren’t wrong when they say it tas…
“Processed” is a nonce word. Butyric acid is also in Parmesan cheese, which is “processed.”
For people who did not grow up with hershey's, the butyric acid is what makes it taste off.
This is not a question of safety - it is a question of results. They stayed with old technologies and have optimized for cost, not flavor. (And yes, that processing was necessary in the days before a reliable milk source.)
Re: Hershey Bets on Agentic AI to Rethink $2B in Marketing Spend
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
“Processed” is a nonce word. Butyric acid is also in Parmesan cheese, which is “processed.”
Parmesan cheese is savory, not sweet. For people who did not grow up with hershey's, the butyric acid is what makes it taste off. This is not a question of safety - it is a question of results. They stayed with old technologies and have optimized for cost, not flavor. (And yes, that processing was necessary in the days before a reliable milk source.)
If you grew up with European chocolate the unfamiliarity maybe makes it taste off. But characterizing it as tasting like “vomit” and the result of over “processing” is spin. Butyric acid arises from processing milk products, which is why the compound is in Hershey’s chocolate and also in parmesan cheese. The opposite marketing spin: “Hershey’s chocolate bars use traditional techniques that result in a hint of parmesan with the sweet” would be equally correct.
Re: Hershey Bets on Agentic AI to Rethink $2B in Marketing Spend
#46I'm amazed that Hershey is spending $2B on marketing. I honestly don't think I've seen any advertising for the brand itself at any point in the past decade, and I don't have any positive association with it: it's the "bad" chocolate you buy for cooking? Looking at their subsidiary brands, I don't think I've seen any serious advertising for them either. KitKat is doing viral marketing on social media, but surely, that…
Re: Hershey Bets on Agentic AI to Rethink $2B in Marketing Spend
#47I'm amazed that Hershey is spending $2B on marketing. I honestly don't think I've seen any advertising for the brand itself at any point in the past decade, and I don't have any positive association with it: it's the "bad" chocolate you buy for cooking? Looking at their subsidiary brands, I don't think I've seen any serious advertising for them either. KitKat is doing viral marketing on social media, but surely, that…
General awareness campaigns are not in vogue these days, especially for CPG companies. You're not seeing a lot of billboards or train wraps for these brands anymore. Instead, you're probably just not deemed by the all-knowing models to be a likely buyer (count yourself lucky--it's probably a good sign for your diet and health).
But it's not inconceivable at all that the $2B spend it invisible to a high portion or even a large majority of the population if they can get more ROAS by targeting specific subsets.
Edit: one more ps that I thought was funny. The one brand you called out (Kit Kat) is only owned by Hershey in the US so it's entirely possible that the online ads you've seen are actually Nestlé's, depending on what sites you're viewing and/or where you live.
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#48The truth is that no one can tell why someone bought a Hershey bar. There's no way to distinguish childhood nostalgia from price competitiveness, developed habits, local availability, etc. It's all just guessing*. The entire ad business lives from this guessing process, so now they can have AI do the guessing. *Source: I was employed briefly at a company in this space that works with popular brands. They offered me c…
> They offered me cash to go away It sounds like you got fired and offered severance.
Re: Hershey Bets on Agentic AI to Rethink $2B in Marketing Spend
#49Some companies like Kleenex or Band-aid… they’re synonymous with the product. Hershey is very well known for chocolate and probably many other products under their umbrella.
The only marketing you really need is if you see some concerning dips in sales due to competition, or to push a new product. Instead of spending billions on marketing, keep your prices low and competitive, don’t cut corners on quality. I’m tired of companies cutting costs to maximize profits but still marketing to consumers all the same while degrading the products.
Re: Hershey Bets on Agentic AI to Rethink $2B in Marketing Spend
#50I'm amazed that Hershey is spending $2B on marketing. I honestly don't think I've seen any advertising for the brand itself at any point in the past decade, and I don't have any positive association with it: it's the "bad" chocolate you buy for cooking? Looking at their subsidiary brands, I don't think I've seen any serious advertising for them either. KitKat is doing viral marketing on social media, but surely, that…
Advertising is a subset of marketing so $2 billion is not all advertising. They probably do a lot of downstream supply chain promotions.