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Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by thejazzman »

ptdcc wrote: post #25
Tyrubias wrote: post #13

In a sane world, the US as a supposed bastion of free speech and personal liberties would enact legislation that requires companies to provide a specific, articulable reason for suspending accounts due to rules violations and offer everyone the chance to appeal. That would serve as a counterbalance to more authoritarian regimes insisting companies like Meta censor people, even if the US can’t guarantee it for people…

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When the standing president uses his speech to incite violence at the capital, attempt a coup, spread proven lies about health issues directly harming citizens...

oh, right, free speech. everyones allowed to do anything because they use their VOICE to INCITE harm and that's enough abstraction that others can't see the facade???

bull shit.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by Tyrubias »

toasty228 wrote: post #27
Tyrubias wrote: post #13

In a sane world, the US as a supposed bastion of free speech and personal liberties would enact legislation that requires companies to provide a specific, articulable reason for suspending accounts due to rules violations and offer everyone the chance to appeal. That would serve as a counterbalance to more authoritarian regimes insisting companies like Meta censor people, even if the US can’t guarantee it for people…

> the US as a supposed bastion of free speech Only americans believe that, this is almost as dumb as when they try to use dollars in Europe, "but it is valid tender I tell you!" or when they believe their TSA precheck works in China

My point is that Americans claim this, but it’s partially propaganda.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by root_axis »

mw67 wrote: post #3

Crazy that these mega corporations still bow to the requests of countries. Would they do the same of any important actor requesting censorship? like if Elon or Bezos make a request, they'd get ignored, even though they're more powerful than Kuwait.

Access to Kuwait's market is far more valuable than anything Elon or Bezos has to say about how meta operates its business.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by benoau »

csallen wrote: post #10
ameliaquining wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the argument being made is that they don't have any meaningful power over Meta's corporate decision-makers, even if they do have power over some other people.

Right, but if you control access to a market of millions of people, a lot of companies will do what you say (i.e. follow your laws) in order to retain access to that market, as well as protect their local employees from jail. I would say that counts as meaningful power.

In theory, but the last two years have also seen Zuckerburg, Musk and Cook openly defying the EU, one of the largest markets on the planet.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by anonymousiam »

bekon wrote: post #24
Tyrubias wrote: post #13

In a sane world, the US as a supposed bastion of free speech and personal liberties would enact legislation that requires companies to provide a specific, articulable reason for suspending accounts due to rules violations and offer everyone the chance to appeal. That would serve as a counterbalance to more authoritarian regimes insisting companies like Meta censor people, even if the US can’t guarantee it for people…

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citation?

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by hilariously »

ptdcc wrote: post #25
Tyrubias wrote: post #13

In a sane world, the US as a supposed bastion of free speech and personal liberties would enact legislation that requires companies to provide a specific, articulable reason for suspending accounts due to rules violations and offer everyone the chance to appeal. That would serve as a counterbalance to more authoritarian regimes insisting companies like Meta censor people, even if the US can’t guarantee it for people…

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I figured the speech part was ok until it declined into an active coup but that's just me.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by leephillips »

mw67 wrote: post #3

Crazy that these mega corporations still bow to the requests of countries. Would they do the same of any important actor requesting censorship? like if Elon or Bezos make a request, they'd get ignored, even though they're more powerful than Kuwait.

Google (including YouTube) has black-holed content at the request of the Chinese and Pakistani governments and in response to domestic Muslim pressure groups. This effects content shown everywhere, including within the United States:

https://lee-phillips.org/youtube/

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by tamimio »

ergocoder wrote: post #33
mw67 wrote: post #3

Crazy that these mega corporations still bow to the requests of countries. Would they do the same of any important actor requesting censorship? like if Elon or Bezos make a request, they'd get ignored, even though they're more powerful than Kuwait.

It's crazy that mega corporations follow the country's regulations. Bad stuff. I know.

Well, homosexuality is criminalized in Kuwait for example, do we see Meta banning accounts because of it? Suddenly the company doesn’t follow the country’s regulations. Meta aligns with israel narrative (notorious against anything that goes against that), and it seems that person account wasn’t aligned with that, so they got banned, that’s the real reason, it’s never about following other countries’ laws or whatever, just a legal justification so the company isn’t directly blamed for it, selective censorship.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by skywhopper »

ptdcc wrote: post #25
Tyrubias wrote: post #13

In a sane world, the US as a supposed bastion of free speech and personal liberties would enact legislation that requires companies to provide a specific, articulable reason for suspending accounts due to rules violations and offer everyone the chance to appeal. That would serve as a counterbalance to more authoritarian regimes insisting companies like Meta censor people, even if the US can’t guarantee it for people…

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“Free speech” has never meant you can say or do anything you want.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by skywhopper »

KaiserPro wrote: post #21
Tyrubias wrote: post #13

In a sane world, the US as a supposed bastion of free speech and personal liberties would enact legislation that requires companies to provide a specific, articulable reason for suspending accounts due to rules violations and offer everyone the chance to appeal. That would serve as a counterbalance to more authoritarian regimes insisting companies like Meta censor people, even if the US can’t guarantee it for people…

> requires companies to provide a specific, articulable reason for suspending accounts wouldn't that violate free speech though? forcing a company to keep something up/take something down is entirely up to them no?

Requiring a provider of a public accommodation to explain their decisions and have standard policies for implementing them is no restriction on free speech.
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