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Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Deepseek is open source. Whats stopping them from distilling it and releasing their own model today? Where is the reliance on America? Gpus?

CPUs, GPUs, operating systems, programming languages toolchains.

Even if you consider open source, the majority of contributions are from US companies.

There are some companies contributing to GCC and clang from UK, GraalVM and V8 are partially in European sites but from American companies nonetheless.

There is OCaml in France, more no idea.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

#43

This is mostly a performance by the Mistral CEO. He is trying to justify the continued existence of the AI bubble in his country, claiming that, somehow, us Americans have figured it out and made LLMs work. We haven't, nobody has. LLMs don't work. They cannot think. They do not understand what you are asking them to do. They statistically reproduce text written by other people, and they cannot do so well. They are no…

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Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

#45

Deepseek is open source. Whats stopping them from distilling it and releasing their own model today? Where is the reliance on America? Gpus?

Deepseek is open-weight, not open-source afaik.

Potato potatoe

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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The only thing that can “save Europe” is US embargo, otherwise doesn’t make sense to do replication of the US effort whatsoever. In US the AI is a private effort, in Europe there are no businesses that are interested in investing such large amounts of money when they can benefit from US made AI. In China they don’t have this option to use the US offerings so they must invest, be it the government or the business that…

The hilarious irony is that Trump has been yelling at Europe since ~2017 to stop being so reliant on the US for everything, to pay more for its own defense, stop regulating and start innovating, etc.

Basically everything that's in the Draghi report.

Meanwhile, EU bureaucrats' heads appear to remain firmly buried in the sand.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Always the same ridiculous statement.

I, too, cannot wait when it finally stops being true, so people can stop saying it.

I rather have European regulations to US wild west anything goes, and who cannot keep up isn't worth keeping around mentality.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the problem is not the model, but the infrastructure needed to run the model. so yeah, gpus, cpus, network, etc etc

Power is 2-3x as expensive in Europe than American. They're toast.

> Power is 2-3x as expensive in Europe than American. They're toast.

Europe is not Germany.

Electricity price is 2-3x times more expensive in Germany.

Electricity price for electricity intensive professional is around 12-14cts/kWh in France and can be reduce under 10cts/kWh for big consummers.

Which is competitive with the cost in several US states (it is still higher than Texas but not 3x).

Nordic countries should be able to align on that too.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Becoming? We all live under the American empire. Pretty much every international institution is dominated by American money, most high level positions in such institutions are cleared by Americans before they are appointed, they have military bases in almost every other western country and a law that allows them to invade the Netherlands if the international court ever tries someone they don't want to be tried. What illusion are we under?

It's ok to think it's a benevolent dictator type situation but it is what it is. In fact the usual reply to this isn't a rebuttal but rather "what alternative is better?" to which I have no answer.

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