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Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Post by the__alchemist »

esseph wrote: post #32
the__alchemist wrote: post #17

This is, I am assuming from the context, not opporating under the assumption PTSD often is rooted in brain damage from exposure to shockwaves.

PTSD doesn't have anything to do with brain damage. PTSD is a trauma response. Are you thinking of TBI? TBI is a cumulative impact of small and large head trauma.

Nope - I mean PTSD. there is a growing body of evidence that PTSD may be caused (In many of most or the diagnosed cases) by concussions causing brain damage. This manifests from either enemy munitions, or the shock wave from your own artillery, explosives, or large-caliber weapons.

The WWI name of "shell shock" describing the same phenomenon was probably more accurate than "PTSD".

Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

JCTheDenthog wrote: post #26
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though notably never anything really crazy like “let’s stop doing war”

I mean, that does sound pretty crazy. Specific wars are often ill-advised or largely pointless, but "stop doing war" presupposes that all other countries in the world will also "stop doing war", otherwise what you're suggesting is just unilateral surrender under the guise of stopping war.

Hey if that’s the world you wanna live in then continue to do what you’re doing

Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Post by H8crilA »

KolibriFly wrote: post #31
H8crilA wrote: post #13

I always wonder why ECT doesn't get more press. It very very often works on depression (and bipolar disorder, catatonia; anything affective-related really), although the effects may wane over time when the treatment is discontinued. Memory loss is one of the side effects, and it could actually be beneficial here.

It's strange how much attention novel psychedelic treatments get compared with older, less glamorous interventions that already help a lot of people

My point exactly. I am not saying psychedelics do not help people, they clearly help some people with some problems. But the balance of research and general interest is not proportional to how promising both paths already look. For example, which treatments are safer long term? It's unclear. At the same time it's clear that there can be unwanted long term side effects. In one very particular case, pregnant women that unfortunately do need something, we already know from physics and data on anesthesia that ECT is the better choice.

Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Post by orionsbelt »

butvacuum wrote: post #19
H8crilA wrote: post #13

I always wonder why ECT doesn't get more press. It very very often works on depression (and bipolar disorder, catatonia; anything affective-related really), although the effects may wane over time when the treatment is discontinued. Memory loss is one of the side effects, and it could actually be beneficial here.

Because ECT is whitewashed shock therapy, which in turn- is a whitewashed lobotomy.

What about transcranial magnetic stimulation?

Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Post by adaptbrian »

estearum wrote: post #35
adaptbrian wrote: post #33

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Go ahead and run your randomized clinical trials and report back. The healthcare community would be thrilled to find out – with certainty – that your interventions work.

I'm working on it, I have to find someone who's not after the money and is well endowned. As no one really benefits other than the patient and we know what drives innovation in this space.

Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Post by adaptbrian »

adaptbrian wrote: post #45
estearum wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go ahead and run your randomized clinical trials and report back. The healthcare community would be thrilled to find out – with certainty – that your interventions work.

I'm working on it, I have to find someone who's not after the money and is well endowned. As no one really benefits other than the patient and we know what drives innovation in this space.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24905167/

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/neuroscience/articles/1...

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/nutrition/articles/10.3...

CBT is on the VA PTSD page.

Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Post by constantius »

JCTheDenthog wrote: post #26
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though notably never anything really crazy like “let’s stop doing war”

I mean, that does sound pretty crazy. Specific wars are often ill-advised or largely pointless, but "stop doing war" presupposes that all other countries in the world will also "stop doing war", otherwise what you're suggesting is just unilateral surrender under the guise of stopping war.

You're strawmanning I think.

My interpretation of the parent comment is: Americans should stop aggressing other countries, slaughtering the population, and then publishing scientific breakthroughs on treating ptsd among the killers.

I'd say the comment says nothing about wars of survival, which is not what veterans have ptsd for. No one is 'doing war' at America.

Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Post by igleria »

dacops wrote: post #8

Only veterans? I wonder about the editorial choice to use veterans rather than, say, women who have PTSD from assaults, which is a much larger group of people. (Approximately 4% of US men and 8% of US women experience PTSD every year across all reasons like accidents, sexual assaults, combat, etc.) Presumably this treatment would help everyone? Or is it somehow supporting only vets?

The war machine is the one funding so the framing makes sense. Not that I like it... I would prefer that the concept of a war veteran was non existent but that is akin to wishing the moon was made out of cheese.

Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Post by hunterpayne »

constantius wrote: post #47
JCTheDenthog wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, that does sound pretty crazy. Specific wars are often ill-advised or largely pointless, but "stop doing war" presupposes that all other countries in the world will also "stop doing war", otherwise what you're suggesting is just unilateral surrender under the guise of stopping war.

You're strawmanning I think. My interpretation of the parent comment is: Americans should stop aggressing other countries, slaughtering the population, and then publishing scientific breakthroughs on treating ptsd among the killers. I'd say the comment says nothing about wars of survival, which is not what veterans have ptsd for. No one is 'doing war' at America.

Game theory and history say otherwise. If you want to be a fool, have at it. Just don't expect the rest of us to go along or respect you because of it.

Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Post by westmeal »

hunterpayne wrote: post #49
constantius wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're strawmanning I think. My interpretation of the parent comment is: Americans should stop aggressing other countries, slaughtering the population, and then publishing scientific breakthroughs on treating ptsd among the killers. I'd say the comment says nothing about wars of survival, which is not what veterans have ptsd for. No one is 'doing war' at America.

Game theory and history say otherwise. If you want to be a fool, have at it. Just don't expect the rest of us to go along or respect you because of it.

Just because it used to happen doesn't mean it should continue. It will be death of all of us collectively.
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