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Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools
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Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools
#42Actually with data fusion VPN does not fix privacy. Ad networks does data fusion of Javascript browser finger print. So you are de cloaked any way on a VPN
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or we could realize that there are already 2 generations that grew while having access to the internet and turned out perfectly fine?
We are many things, but "fine" isn't one of them. How much the problems today are due to, rather than coincidental with, the internet, is a much more difficult thing to discern.
We are fine. You're just falling for the "*this" generation is different" fallacy. Look up some history if you think previous generations had it all sorted until the nasty internet came along and corrupted us.
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#44This is a fairly difficult problem. I think the internet should be for adults only, like many other things. But we've fucked up by giving children internet access and it's going to be hard to undo it. I think rather than fighting these measures we need to work on alternatives because keeping children off the internet is a good idea, we just need to implement it in a good way. What about just banning phones for childr…
Or we could realize that there are already 2 generations that grew while having access to the internet and turned out perfectly fine?
I would be one of those two generations. I dispute your point on two grounds: first, the internet today isn't what it was back then; secondly, I, and many of my peers, didn't turn out just fine.
Back then the internet was a wild west run by thousands of clever people. It was like living in a neighborhood full of people kind of like you. Nobody built it to be addictive or to cultivate attention. If you wanted something you searched for it. Nowadays everyone is on there and it's run by evil adtech companies. Kids these days are not having the experience we had back then.
It also didn't really do us much good. Already back then geeky types like me had somewhere to retreat to and we did. It took me years to learn real social skills and build a life off of the internet. When I see headlines like "Gen Z aren't having sex" I'm hardly surprised. They're not having sex because they're on the internet. What's more is nobody is learning to be an adult at all. People are in a adult bodies but still totally children at heart. They don't own anything, shun responsibility etc.
Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools
#45This is a fairly difficult problem. I think the internet should be for adults only, like many other things. But we've fucked up by giving children internet access and it's going to be hard to undo it. I think rather than fighting these measures we need to work on alternatives because keeping children off the internet is a good idea, we just need to implement it in a good way. What about just banning phones for childr…
I had internet since I was a kid. By attacking the internet you are attacking my homeland.
How old are you? I had the internet too but my homeland is already gone. Forums are empty, IRC channels quiet. It's just garbage run by adtech companies now.
Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools
#46While their arguments are sound, Perhaps Mozilla should disclose in this document that they are also a VPN reseller.
It would sound like an advertisement though, so in some way it’s better they don’t mention it
It’s better to hide conflicts of interest?
(Edit: I don’t disagree with Mozilla’s position, but failure to declare an obvious conflict of interest undermines their credibility.)
Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools
#47While their arguments are sound, Perhaps Mozilla should disclose in this document that they are also a VPN reseller.
This is the Mozilla foundation, the VPN seller is Mozilla corporation.
Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools
#48I hear the UK regulator did want to respond but Mozilla office doesn't have a fax machine. So the grandpas in charge of regulating modern tech just took a nap instead
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#49Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools
#50UK is not and has never been a free society, UK elites have an authoritarian streak. Historically they were fairly smart at doing it subtly but the mask slipped during Covid and they never really put it back on. Also - outside the HN bubble this stuff isn’t even unpopular. Normies supported covid lockdowns and they don’t want their kids watching porn either. The people yearn to be ruled and nannied
> Also - outside the HN bubble this stuff isn’t even unpopular. This stuff wasn't unpopular on HN until it actually happened. Almost every submission on HN about social media had people calling for similar regulations or even outright bans. It was not until they actually started asking for IDs when HNers realized what they really wanted to achieve with these laws.
There is a huge difference between supporting the regulation of algorithmic feeds and other dark patterns and a direct attack on personal privacy.