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The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by lokar »

neksn wrote: post #33

The demographics of this site have changed so much that people here are applauding… that it is now illegal to embed opengraph information on Facebook? This is deranged. And it only happens because the government is in bed with legacy media. The government being in bed with the media is awful for the common person. Embedding opengraph data is a clear case of fair use, and it’s sad to see all of this coming from a comm…

I think they should be able to show the link, and like a normal one sentence link text, but not a large snippet, images, etc

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by [deleted] »

buellerbueller wrote: post #22
this_user wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not protecting "normal people". These types of laws are nothing but attempts at rent seeking by dying legacy media companies that were too incompetent to figure out working digital strategies on their own. And they would already be dead without the traffic that big platforms like Meta and Google are sending their way. If you send traffic to some e-commerce platform through an affiliate link, you are the one w…

>If you send traffic to some e-commerce platform through an affiliate link, you are the one who gets paid. These companies are instead trying to rig the system in such a way that the affiliate would be forced to pay them. It's an absurd and desperate proposal that deserves to be rejected. This isn't what is happening. People read the summarized headline/article on meta's turf and then don't go to the source article.…

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Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by neksn »

lokar wrote: post #41
neksn wrote: post #33

The demographics of this site have changed so much that people here are applauding… that it is now illegal to embed opengraph information on Facebook? This is deranged. And it only happens because the government is in bed with legacy media. The government being in bed with the media is awful for the common person. Embedding opengraph data is a clear case of fair use, and it’s sad to see all of this coming from a comm…

I think they should be able to show the link, and like a normal one sentence link text, but not a large snippet, images, etc

They only show what the website gives them through opengraph tags. If the site doesn’t want to give up that information they can remove the opengraph tags. Even still, fair use should allow Facebook to summarise the contents of the link if they wanted to (but they don’t do that).

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by dataflow »

340q7 wrote: post #30
dataflow wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The article says that "news are vital". So is open source, films, images, art, and the authors do not get paid by the thieves. "Vital" does not merely mean "important".

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> Open source is vital, the others are too for normal people except for the autists who downvote on a technicality.

Was there really no better way to say you disagree than insulting everyone who disagreed with you?

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by miohtama »

lokar wrote: post #41
neksn wrote: post #33

The demographics of this site have changed so much that people here are applauding… that it is now illegal to embed opengraph information on Facebook? This is deranged. And it only happens because the government is in bed with legacy media. The government being in bed with the media is awful for the common person. Embedding opengraph data is a clear case of fair use, and it’s sad to see all of this coming from a comm…

I think they should be able to show the link, and like a normal one sentence link text, but not a large snippet, images, etc

They are displaying the snippet and image the website is giving them for a preview.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by mcv »

neksn wrote: post #33

The demographics of this site have changed so much that people here are applauding… that it is now illegal to embed opengraph information on Facebook? This is deranged. And it only happens because the government is in bed with legacy media. The government being in bed with the media is awful for the common person. Embedding opengraph data is a clear case of fair use, and it’s sad to see all of this coming from a comm…

I don't think it's the demographics that have changed, but the state of the internet, and the awareness that big tech's stranglehold over our media is a problem.

Of course the likely end result is going to be that legitimate news will disappear from Facebook and there will only be misinformation left. I'd rather see them address the spread of misinformation instead of the spread of quality news.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by throw0101c »

nradov wrote: post #18
paulddraper wrote: post #9

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They already did this with Canada. Meta decided to stop showing news links in Canada. [1] Presumably, it would choose the same thing here. [1] https://www.facebook.com/sureshsingaratnam/posts/so-meta-is-...

Yes, that was a great move. I wish Meta would do the same in all countries. I don't go to Facebook to read news.

> Yes, that was a great move. I wish Meta would do the same in all countries. I don't go to Facebook to read news.

Lots of news organization saw their traffic drop though, and this reduced revenues. (Not judging either way, just noting some effects.)

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by throw0101c »

maxdo wrote: post #21

Good for these news corps , bad for consumers. Free News websites almost 100% consist of ads trash .

> Free News websites almost 100% consist of ads trash .

Most folks don't want to pay for news, but how do you pay journalists so you have an informed citizenry/electorate?

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by Scarblac »

tekla wrote: post #25
Scarblac wrote: post #14

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Because you're doing it voluntarily.

Did I hallucinate several years of discourse about volunteer work on the internet should be paid? And that lefty types were yelling about how billionaire corps should compensate volunteer work because they clearly had money? Something starting from Reddit mods?

Sometimes but I've never seen commenting counted as work.
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