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The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by embedding-shape »

nba456_ wrote: post #19
boxed wrote: post #3

Hopefully it's a race worth winning and not a race to global disaster.

Even if it leads to global disaster, you'd rather be the country with the best AI. You won't be saved just because your AI is worse.

> Even if it leads to global disaster, you'd rather be the country with the best AI

Depends no? If the "Best AI" means "The AI decides when you wake up, go to work, and go to bed", then I probably want to live in the country with the worst AI or even without.

If it instead means "UBI and healthcare for everyone, money lost all meaning and we're all just having fun while AI does all the boring stuff" then yes. But since capitalism still exists, that's a pipe-dream, and "Best AI" won't lead to that for the average person, only for the 0.1%.

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Post by akrylov »

tsunamifury wrote: post #23

As an American, we may be winning this race but we are still struggling to define why this is the race to win. The cost of winning this race has been telling our citizen s we will replace them with robots and there is no hope for their children’s future employment. The cost has been destroying trust as we tell citizens water and power should go to server farms and not them. The cost has been naked power telling democ…

The goal is global domination as always, unfortunately. DARPA and the Pentagon helped create the Internet, and Silicon Valley later turned it into a major commercial success.

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Post by SubiculumCode »

yalogin wrote: post #31
Igrom wrote: post #27

Flagged for AI content: I hope this submission dies and the user is penalized (look at their submission and comment history!), because IMO the article does not belong on the front page. Quick polemic: >The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization If you ask me, one could name different criteria for winning, and commercialization would not be the first thing to come to my mind: https://englis…

Very good call. I shied away from calling it a terrible article but it is

There certainly are better articles on this topic that have come out recently.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by akrylov »

pj_mukh wrote: post #9

Yes, and it's doing so primarily because of immigrant nerds, H1B's and F1 bros who chose America and may not have this avenue in the future. Potentially, making this the last race USA wins.

It's a myth. IBM, Xerox, HP, DEC was innovating long before H1B's.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by giancarlostoro »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #15
giancarlostoro wrote: post #2

One interesting thing that Anthropic did was putting their stack on the various cloud providers, I wonder if they'll put it on GCP and Azure next since they've put it into AWS first at a level we have not seen a major AI provider do to date. Your company can have their own Claude stack just like an ELK stack on your cloud, if they can do this for both Azure and GCP then OpenAI has to really catch up. In my eyes I wou…

Claude is already on Vertex - https://docs.cloud.google.com/vertex-ai/generative-ai/docs/p...

Is Vertex hosting it themselves on their own hardware? Because GCP, Azure and AWS all host it on their own hardware, but AWS lets you do everything that Claude lets you do if you use their APIs directly, and then some. This is what I want to see on Azure and GCP, and heck, maybe even DigitalOcean, if they ever stop expanding into so many spaces and focus on improving their current infrastructure, before I fully migrate off of them.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by nodja »

No, the US is _leading_ the AI race, but the race isn't over.

What's the point of leading the race for 90% of it, if they're gonna slip on their own sweat and fall down by the end? In non metaphorical terms, what's the point of spending billions of dollars rushing to get the best AI tech at all costs, when the competition can distil your progress and catch up in 6-12 months while only spending 1% of what you spent.

Even in the aspect the article cares about, commercialization, the US is starting to lose marketshare, I've seen people move from cc/codex plans to use glm/opencode plans due to the recent squeeze the US companies put on plan usage, the US companies are screwed if that sticks, not everyone needs the bleeding edge models, they just want to pay $20/month and have the models be decently capable.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by SubiculumCode »

lorecore wrote: post #17

It’s certainly too early to call (if you must view this as some sort of adversarial competition). The US is behind on local models, the future for anyone who cares about privacy. There may be step change innovation yet to come that completely shifts the landscape. There’s basically no switching costs to users to change models. They have no lock-in.

It is very much adversarial, and to view it anything but adversarial is to not see the geopolitical reality and the potential national security implications of AI for what they actually are. Moreover, to claim that China is in the lead with local models presupposes that openai and anthropic could not release local models that are better, which is a big assumption. They do not release such models because they have frontier-grade propietary models that have high value.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by SubiculumCode »

hansmayer wrote: post #26

What does the term "AI race" even mean, beyond wooing clueless VCs and soon retail investors ? It's not like the LLMs are some super-secret technology. Any economy willing to sink in copious amounts of money and resources can get it to some level - the question, what's the actual payoff? We have yet to see anything really useful, on the level of step change, besides Johnny who can now spin up demo projects quicker.

Not if they cannot get the GPUs.
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