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A HN post with negative points – how?

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Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#41

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the interesting part here is that it is a submission with negative karma, not a comment. there is no downvote button on submissions, so it doesnt make sense for it to get negative karma.

I always assumed there WAS downvoting for a submission once you hit a certain threshold of user karma. Like flagging and other community moderating functions.

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Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the interesting part here is that it is a submission with negative karma, not a comment. there is no downvote button on submissions, so it doesnt make sense for it to get negative karma.

I always assumed there WAS downvoting for a submission once you hit a certain threshold of user karma. Like flagging and other community moderating functions.

Yes there is.

Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#44

As I understand it, -4 is the lowest you can get (basically everyone hates your point of view), so you may have found a bug but more likely found 5 or so people who don’t like you quicker than expected! I have seen (my) posts bounce up and down so there I suspect there is a lot of Voting going on compare to actual movement. But in the end HN is biased for positivity (as you cannot go lower than -4) But someone with s…

the interesting part here is that it is a submission with negative karma, not a comment. there is no downvote button on submissions, so it doesnt make sense for it to get negative karma.

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Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#46

Bots. I've posted many popular and unpopular takes here. Down always comes first, and as the bot votes evap into the ether, the true human take is almost always revealed after an hour or two.

As stated elsewhere in this discussion: downvotes exist for comments on HN, but not for submissions, as far as anyone is aware, which is what makes it puzzling.

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Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always assumed there WAS downvoting for a submission once you hit a certain threshold of user karma. Like flagging and other community moderating functions.

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i have 2000 karma and i am not able to downvote submissions.

Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#48
post #30

Original poster of the thread here. Doesn't appear to be negative anymore, but here is what it looked like: https://vale.rocks/micros/20260512-0652 Screenshot was taken at 06:50 UTC.

Maybe there is an API to downvote posts and some bots found it? Edit: Actually I would wager that it’s some kind of automatic downvoting when the system detects bad votes or comments. Something like “friends shouldn’t vote”. Since we see voting on posts and not comments we could see it go negative.

I suspect there’s downweights the system can apply - and if five people voted it up, the -5 downweight was applied, and then four of the upvotes were removed, you’d end up at -4.

Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#49

As I understand it, -4 is the lowest you can get (basically everyone hates your point of view), so you may have found a bug but more likely found 5 or so people who don’t like you quicker than expected! I have seen (my) posts bounce up and down so there I suspect there is a lot of Voting going on compare to actual movement. But in the end HN is biased for positivity (as you cannot go lower than -4) But someone with s…

They come in mobs or waves, too. Historically, they show up first while the reasonable people show up later, sometimes reversing those votes. Others here have noted that phenomenon.
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