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Colombia hosts talks on exiting fossil fuels as global energy crisis deepens

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Re: Colombia hosts talks on exiting fossil fuels as global energy crisis deepens

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Absolutely hilarious to me that the biggest catalyst toward global attention to renewables in the last two decades is Trump's ridiculous adventure in the gulf.

Partially the Ukraine war got at least parts of Europe started, then adding Trumps mess on top but keeps the ball rolling. I've heard a lot of people being critical of wind turbines, calling them ugly and wanting nothing to do with them. After the Ukraine war started I remember driving into town, seeing the five massive wind turbines at the harbour, providing three time the power the city needs, and thinking "not onl…

Wind turbines are ugly. But I'll take ugly for free energy. It's such an obvious tradeoff. I can deal with ugly. Energy is much harder to do without. Anyone who would give up free energy just because it's ugly is someone who needs to touch grass.

By the way, wind turbines off the coast of one of Trump's golf properties in Scotland are the reason he keeps trying to ban wind turbines.

Re: Colombia hosts talks on exiting fossil fuels as global energy crisis deepens

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> “The mere fact that the conference is happening is already a success,” said Claudio Angelo, senior policy adviser at Brazil’s Climate Observatory, a network of environmental, civil society and academic groups The bar has been set so low that talking about it is seen as success now. Sometimes I think the only way we'll really make meaningful progress is if we simply run out of fossil fuels. Unfortunately, we're just…

A brazilian "senior policy adviser" patting himself on the back over a conference taking place is always amusing. One could easily get the impression the brazilian government was not actively taxing the crap out of solar panels, solar installations, electrical vehicles, pretty much every good alternative to fossil fuels, literally right now.

Re: Colombia hosts talks on exiting fossil fuels as global energy crisis deepens

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Treating alternative energy and PHEVs/EVs as a core national security concern should have started in the early 2000s. Yes, the PV revolution hadn't happened yet, but the hybrid auto was released in 1998 or so, and a PHEV is a natural extension to that. I'm weak on recollection as to when PV and wind started their big price plummet, but it was certainly in the 2010s. It's still not too late for ... everyone. In partic…

Cars are a very unimportant part of changing to clean energy.

The most important part is the generation. Making specific types of cars required right now is VERY premature, and will just cause backlash.

Let's focus on just one (main) thing: Clean generation of electricity. The rest will come in due course.

Re: Colombia hosts talks on exiting fossil fuels as global energy crisis deepens

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I've seen this succintly and accurately described this way: "No One Goes to War Over a Solar Panel" [1]. If you think about it, once you build a solar panel, it just produces power for the next 20-30 years. Then you buy another one and replace it. To get oil or natural gas, you need to drill a well. That well requires constant labor. What many don't seem to know is that oil wells decline in production over time. It's…

> "No One Goes to War Over a Solar Panel"

Doesn't China have most of the exotic rare earths and stuff that you need in order to build solar panels and systems? I am not anti-solar, but I also don't think China is some guaranteed-friendly party that the whole world can trust not to wield their power once they have it.

I assume anyone who doesn't immediately recognize their planned takeover of Taiwan next year will have a hard time getting any type of raw materials like that.

Re: Colombia hosts talks on exiting fossil fuels as global energy crisis deepens

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The use of fossil fuels equates directly to higher standard of living, military power, wealth, prosperity, and advanced economies. As well, transportation is heavily dependent on fossil fuels. "Exiting" fossil fuels means either nothing, or it means impoverishing your people.

Not long ago this was linked to coal and cancer. And even higher rates of cancer and lung disease correlated with higher standards of living. Should we start advocating for the return to coal? Maybe transplanting cancers to cause better prosperity? > "Exiting" fossil fuels means either nothing, or it means impoverishing your people. Utter bullshit. Exiting fossil fuels means prosperity for the people in the near futu…

Aren't the former coal-mining regions badly impoverished today because we dramatically cut back our usage of their primary economic product?

I'm not sure that supports your point. I don't think they are stagnating and decaying because they want to keep mining coal specifically, it's just that the coal miners and their next generation don't have any capital to found cool innovative startups, and not enough people with capital have any incentive to go there and make job-creating ventures to employ them.

Re: Colombia hosts talks on exiting fossil fuels as global energy crisis deepens

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Even artificially limiting their availability causing prices to shoot up does not quench the thirst. I am always confused why the conversation seems to be about switching the toggle switch from fossil fuels only to renewables only. It's obvious the best way is more of potentiometer where you slowly change from one by adding renewables to the point of being able to reduce the reliance on fossil fuels. We're seeing it…

To "simply run out of fossil fuels" is like that potentiometer you mention, it isn't like you run out all at once but you run out of the cheap ones first and it gets more expensive. I remember reading https://www.amazon.com/Hubberts-Peak-Impending-Shortage-Revi... in the early 2000s which was about the coming peak of conventional oil production and it turned out to be wrong in the sense that we knew in the 1970s that…

We have still lot of known fossil fuel reserves. More than we should put into atmosfere in form of CO2.

Coal for 139 years

Oil for 56 years

Gas for 49 years

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/years-of-fossil-fuel-rese...

This is a bit simplified because high fossil fuel prices also drive inovations in mining, exploration and could increase known reserves.

Re: Colombia hosts talks on exiting fossil fuels as global energy crisis deepens

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internal consumption engines (ICE), are rapidly becoming niche power sources sodium batteries and solar pv, will take over most of the worlds grids quite quickly now, there are no bariers left any country that resists will be left behind and suffer the consequences of uncompetitive costs
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