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Re: SingleRide: Longest route on NYC Subway without visiting the same station twice

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RhysU wrote: post #12

Fun. Needs sound effects, in particular someone muttering "Hoyt–Schermerhorn next" over a crackling intercom.

I used to get on a 2/3 with the same driver at the same time a lot and he was REALLY into announcing in great detail how to get to the PATH with his volume absolutely cranked. It got so annoying that I'd actually get off and wait for the next one. Don't need whole minutes of announcements on how you have to go up the stairs and look for signs and yadda yadda. I got podcasts to listen to, man.

Re: SingleRide: Longest route on NYC Subway without visiting the same station twice

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

afavour wrote: post #34
busterarm wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 2010s it was so bad that I gave up on the subway and either walked, Ubered or took the bus everywhere. When the MTA bus is better than the subway, things in NY are grim -- it was like the 80s & early 90s again. The reliability has improved a bit, but the subway crime is also way, way up. So yeah, still a hard pass. In the mid 2010s i had a reverse commute from Manhattan to Brooklyn and there was a few months w…

> The reliability has improved a bit, but the subway crime is also way, way up. Eh, it’s all relative, I think you’re in less danger of experiencing issues on the subway than you are getting hit on the road. I take the subway all the time and have never had any problems.

> you’re in less danger of experiencing issues on the subway than you are getting hit on the road

For what it's worth, I lived in New York for ten years and was in one car accident (cabbie, distracted by whatever phone all they're all constantly dialled into, blew through a stop sign) and zero even closer calls on the subway.

Re: SingleRide: Longest route on NYC Subway without visiting the same station twice

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Post by schoen »

Like other people, I first missed that this is a game where you have to choose your connections, not just a demo showing off the developer's solution.

If you want to optimize this with software you can apparently get machine-readable topology of the system via

https://www.mta.info/developers

and write your own graph traversal pessimizer for it. (Easier for stops/graph diameter maximization rather than physical distance, which I don't think is included in this particular dataset.)

Re: SingleRide: Longest route on NYC Subway without visiting the same station twice

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

busterarm wrote: post #36
afavour wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The reliability has improved a bit, but the subway crime is also way, way up. Eh, it’s all relative, I think you’re in less danger of experiencing issues on the subway than you are getting hit on the road. I take the subway all the time and have never had any problems.

Subway assaults went up 3x between 2009 and 2025 and violent crime in general in the subway has had nearly a 20% spike just in the first two months of this year alone. Assaults by repeat offenders are up 2x from 2019 to 2025. I'll take a minor fender bender every now and again over someone hitting me in the head with a brick ever. I can't believe the suggestion is that property damage and/or low-speed collisions woul…

> I'll take a minor fender bender every now and again over someone hitting me in the head with a brick ever

You're more than 7x more likely to die in a car in New York than on the subway. If you're the kind of idiot that voluntarily trespasses onto the tracks, you're 2x more likely.

In 2023, 112 motor-vehicle occupants died in New York [1] "97 people were fatally struck by subway trains" [2], nearly half (49%) of which are suicides and 33% of which are accidents, almost all of which involve voluntarily trespassing onto the tracks [3]. Five people were killed by assault [4].

[1] https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/bicycle-crash-dat...

[2] https://www.thecity.nyc/2024/04/11/mta-operators-subway-coll...

[3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40405368/

[4] https://www.mta.info/document/131556

Re: SingleRide: Longest route on NYC Subway without visiting the same station twice

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Post by jubilanti »

schoen wrote: post #43

Like other people, I first missed that this is a game where you have to choose your connections, not just a demo showing off the developer's solution. If you want to optimize this with software you can apparently get machine-readable topology of the system via https://www.mta.info/developers and write your own graph traversal pessimizer for it. (Easier for stops/graph diameter maximization rather than physical distan…

It's like you couldn't write a more ambiguous title if you tried!

Re: SingleRide: Longest route on NYC Subway without visiting the same station twice

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Post by zzixp »

bonyt wrote: post #13

Some folk on YouTube played a game like this (Snake) in real life with the South Korean rail network. It's Jet Lag: The Game - a great show, most seasons are different games. I think the one where they played Snake is one of their more complex seasons - they also play Hide and Seek and Tag across continents, and games like that. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB7ZcpBcwdC4ZwbTbCqIC...

Love Jet Lag! I think Snake was a good idea but didn't turn out so well in execution. The game design of their current season in Taiwan has been great

Re: SingleRide: Longest route on NYC Subway without visiting the same station twice

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Post by beeandapenguin »

nycerrrrrrrrrr wrote: post #20
macintux wrote: post #14

I'm curious what someone who actually knows NYC could do. 74 stations, 41.42 miles, 3:23, 4 boroughs, $3.00 fare Starting from Pelham Bay Park on the 6

Definitely don't know the system like some people do, but: 102 stations, 60.09 miles, 4:19, 4 boroughs, $3.00 fare: 6 > M > 7 > D > Q > S > C > A. Fun game :)

The Prospect Park S is such a weird train. I love it.

Re: SingleRide: Longest route on NYC Subway without visiting the same station twice

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Post by busterarm »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #44
busterarm wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Subway assaults went up 3x between 2009 and 2025 and violent crime in general in the subway has had nearly a 20% spike just in the first two months of this year alone. Assaults by repeat offenders are up 2x from 2019 to 2025. I'll take a minor fender bender every now and again over someone hitting me in the head with a brick ever. I can't believe the suggestion is that property damage and/or low-speed collisions woul…

> I'll take a minor fender bender every now and again over someone hitting me in the head with a brick ever You're more than 7x more likely to die in a car in New York than on the subway. If you're the kind of idiot that voluntarily trespasses onto the tracks, you're 2x more likely. In 2023, 112 motor-vehicle occupants died in New York [1] "97 people were fatally struck by subway trains" [2], nearly half (49%) of whi…

In 2023 exactly two Uber passengers died in NYC. One from jumping out of their moving vehicle onto the LIE and the other from being rear-ended by a drag racer on the Whitestone Expressway.

The alternative to taking the subway for the vast majority of NYC residents is not driving to work.

And as an Uber passenger living in NYC I overwhelmingly spent my time on roads that were not highways.

I can't find exact taxi passenger deaths but between 2019 & 2023 there were 23 passenger fatalities across all rideshare services and taxis. At least one of those was a fatal drug overdose (2022).

Re: SingleRide: Longest route on NYC Subway without visiting the same station twice

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Post by kccqzy »

macintux wrote: post #14

I'm curious what someone who actually knows NYC could do. 74 stations, 41.42 miles, 3:23, 4 boroughs, $3.00 fare Starting from Pelham Bay Park on the 6

First time playing.

133 stations, 71.73 miles, 5:28, 4 boroughs, $3.00 fare

My route was 6 to R to 7 to L to J to M to F to N to D to 4.

The game was somewhat frustrating because despite the animation slowing down at transfer stations I still find myself thinking too slowly to press the right transfer button. I missed some transfers that could make it longer. I wish there were a pause button. I generally don’t like games where thinking is combined with reaction times so I didn’t feel like playing it a second time.

Re: SingleRide: Longest route on NYC Subway without visiting the same station twice

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

busterarm wrote: post #48
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'll take a minor fender bender every now and again over someone hitting me in the head with a brick ever You're more than 7x more likely to die in a car in New York than on the subway. If you're the kind of idiot that voluntarily trespasses onto the tracks, you're 2x more likely. In 2023, 112 motor-vehicle occupants died in New York [1] "97 people were fatally struck by subway trains" [2], nearly half (49%) of whi…

In 2023 exactly two Uber passengers died in NYC. One from jumping out of their moving vehicle onto the LIE and the other from being rear-ended by a drag racer on the Whitestone Expressway. The alternative to taking the subway for the vast majority of NYC residents is not driving to work. And as an Uber passenger living in NYC I overwhelmingly spent my time on roads that were not highways. I can't find exact taxi pass…

> between 2019 & 2023 there were 23 passenger fatalities across all rideshare services and taxis

Which is way more than the total number of homicides on the subway system. All of this is before adjusting for trip frequency. (Uber and Lyft do about a fifth of the trips as the subway.)

I lived in New York for 10 years and go back frequently. I take Ubers and cabs (and Blade) all the time. It's convenient. And sometimes, yes, I just want a quiet space in which to relax. But pretending it's safer is simply untrue.

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