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'Staggering' number of people believe unproven health claims

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Re: 'Staggering' number of people believe unproven health claims

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Post by GJim »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #39

For me wildest one is vegan diet, i.e. Bryan Johnson stays away from animal products, while levelsio mostly eats meat. Both track their biomarkers and seem to be extremely fit. Personally I have to fight my entire country (and most of Eastern Europe fwiw) that cold weather, drafts, air conditioning, wet hair and cold feet does not cause common cold or flu. Yes there is rhinorrhea, but that's just reaction to change i…

> For me wildest one is vegan diet

Depriving children of calcium is a bad thing that all dieticians agree on.

Re: 'Staggering' number of people believe unproven health claims

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Post by sunnybeetroot »

GJim wrote: post #40
sunnybeetroot wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alcohol is bad for you regardless of the frequency, not “if you consume them too often”. It’s literally a neurotoxin and metabolic toxin aka poison.

And going to the pub once a week is terrific for your social life and mental wellbeing. Swings and roundabouts init.

It sure is, especially when you can visit one without succumbing to peer pressure to poison yourself.

Re: 'Staggering' number of people believe unproven health claims

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Post by aziaziazi »

GJim wrote: post #41
dzhiurgis wrote: post #39

For me wildest one is vegan diet, i.e. Bryan Johnson stays away from animal products, while levelsio mostly eats meat. Both track their biomarkers and seem to be extremely fit. Personally I have to fight my entire country (and most of Eastern Europe fwiw) that cold weather, drafts, air conditioning, wet hair and cold feet does not cause common cold or flu. Yes there is rhinorrhea, but that's just reaction to change i…

> For me wildest one is vegan diet Depriving children of calcium is a bad thing that all dieticians agree on.

It’s perfectly possible to have a calcium-less non-vegan diet and calcium-full vegan diet, or vice versa. We need nutrients, not a specific diet.

Re: 'Staggering' number of people believe unproven health claims

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Post by GJim »

aziaziazi wrote: post #43
GJim wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For me wildest one is vegan diet Depriving children of calcium is a bad thing that all dieticians agree on.

It’s perfectly possible to have a calcium-less non-vegan diet and calcium-full vegan diet, or vice versa. We need nutrients, not a specific diet.

What an obtuse response!

Both are difficult to achieve as you well know.

Re: 'Staggering' number of people believe unproven health claims

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Post by GJim »

sunnybeetroot wrote: post #42
GJim wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And going to the pub once a week is terrific for your social life and mental wellbeing. Swings and roundabouts init.

It sure is, especially when you can visit one without succumbing to peer pressure to poison yourself.

What a sanctimonious response!

Drink tea in the pub if you must, though the social lubricant of alcohol is obvious to all.

Re: 'Staggering' number of people believe unproven health claims

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Post by sunnybeetroot »

GJim wrote: post #45
sunnybeetroot wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sure is, especially when you can visit one without succumbing to peer pressure to poison yourself.

What a sanctimonious response! Drink tea in the pub if you must, though the social lubricant of alcohol is obvious to all.

Drink and be merry my friend!

Re: 'Staggering' number of people believe unproven health claims

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Post by tonyarkles »

stinkbeetle wrote: post #32
tonyarkles wrote: post #24

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> COVID vaccine prevented transmission of the virus People aren't good at subtlety and nuance, and it's quite necessary: - Did the COVID vaccine prevent transmission of the virus? No, clearly not, because I was double vaccinated and still caught the virus and inadvertently spread the virus. - Did the COVID vaccine reduce the probability of transmission of the virus? Probably. - Did the COVID vaccine reduce the severi…

I was not talking about "subtle and nuanced" claims though, just the one I mentioned.

Right, but the word "prevented" in this is way too subtle and nuanced:

> whether people believed that the COVID vaccine prevented transmission of the virus

Because the correct answer is "no, it didn't prevent transmission". It likely reduced transmission. Someone who'd been vaccinated twice and still caught the virus twice would very rightly say "no, this vaccine did not prevent me from being infected"

Re: 'Staggering' number of people believe unproven health claims

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Post by tonyarkles »

mathgladiator wrote: post #30
expedition32 wrote: post #21

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Improving life quality is easy all you need to do is eat your vegetables and exercise. I actually find it amusing how complicated people try to make it with all their retarded diets and pills. And then you ask how often they go to the gym and they clam up.

exercise is beyond important which my wife and I do in spades, but the crazy thing is what happens when you fix the diet at a foundational level. For example, my wife has MS and due to carnivore alone (lion diet specifically), she is off both anti-depressants and generic adderal (common for MS patients). That alone is worth whatever silly risks are associated with lack of vegetables (and having gone over a year on th…

I was, for a long time, in the "follow the statistics" camp until about 5 years ago when I did an experiment because of an HN comment. My wife has had low-key GI problems for years. I read a random comment in a thread here about a specific L. Reuteri strain that BioGaia sells and how it had cured someone's IBS. I thought "why not, what's the worst that could happen?" and ordered a bottle. Two weeks into taking it daily, she comes to me with this look on her face. "What?" "I think that stuff you ordered fixed my guts." "What?!"

It lasted for about 18 months and then she started regressing while travelling. As soon as she got home she took another month long course and has followed a similar cycle since then. A couple week dose lasts 18-24 months and then needs a reset. It's possible it's all placebo, I have no idea. But as an intervention, that first round was a shockingly good quality of life improvement.

Re: 'Staggering' number of people believe unproven health claims

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Post by stinkbeetle »

tonyarkles wrote: post #47
stinkbeetle wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was not talking about "subtle and nuanced" claims though, just the one I mentioned.

Right, but the word "prevented" in this is way too subtle and nuanced: > whether people believed that the COVID vaccine prevented transmission of the virus Because the correct answer is "no, it didn't prevent transmission". It likely reduced transmission. Someone who'd been vaccinated twice and still caught the virus twice would very rightly say "no, this vaccine did not prevent me from being infected"

No it's not, in the context that people believed it. That's the point.

Re: 'Staggering' number of people believe unproven health claims

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Post by LorenPechtel »

throwawaypath wrote: post #25
chungus_amongus wrote: post #3

maybe medical professionals shouldn't have discredited themselves through rent seeking and playing politics

Healthcare professionals: "Gathering in large groups in causing a genocide of the old, infirm, and immunocompromised!" Healthcare professionals a week later: "Racism is a global health crisis and you must gather and protest in large groups to combat it. No, these specific gatherings won't spread COVID."

Big gatherings *indoors*: big risk.

Big gatherings *outdoors*: low risk.

Church is pretty dangerous, a protest is reasonably safe.

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