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Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by snapetom »

GenerWork wrote: post #3

It's one thing to make a bunch of stinkers, but then to pretend that said stinkers were in a completely alternate timeline through some sleight of hand retconning is absolutely bonkers and will fool approximately zero people. Let's hope that this is just what it claims to be: a rumor.

They certainly can do it. Hardcore fans understand what they're doing. Maybe some would hate it, but everyone knows that would be possible. It's sci-fi. Ghostbusters 2016 got decannonized.

For mainstream fans, the whole Star Wars franchise has been diluted with mediocre stories, I don't think they'd care. It's just another SW movie to watch.

That being said, this isn't the first time decannoizing the sequels has been brought up in a rumor. I wouldn't be surprised if this was just more wishful thinking.

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by throw0101a »

GenerWork wrote: post #3

It's one thing to make a bunch of stinkers, but then to pretend that said stinkers were in a completely alternate timeline through some sleight of hand retconning is absolutely bonkers and will fool approximately zero people. Let's hope that this is just what it claims to be: a rumor.

> […] sleight of hand retconning is absolutely bonkers and will fool approximately zero people.

Same folks who shitcanned the Expanded Universe:

> On April 25, 2014, Lucasfilm rebranded most of the Expanded Universe material with the exception of The Clone Wars as Star Wars Legends and declared it non-canonical to the franchise. The company's focus would be shifted towards a restructured Star Wars canon based on new material.[60][63][64] Chee said in a 2014 Twitter post that a "primary goal" of the story group would be to replace the previous hierarchical canon (of the Holocron) with one cohesive one.[58] […]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_in_other_media#Disne...

* https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Legends

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by throw0101a »

jerf wrote: post #11

I still think even now they could print money if they'd just do an honest adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy. Even with all the damage they've done to the brand. It's what they probably should have done from day one. I'm not saying the Thrawn trilogy is like the highest art ever made. It's glorious pop schlock fun, as Star Wars should be. But it reminds me of the way that manga is so often treated as storyboards for th…

> The books, being books, can't be quite so directly translated, but it's close enough that it shouldn't strain any competent scriptwriter.

It should be noted that many writers want to make their own mark and don't care too much about the original work and its popularity… which kind of defeats the purpose of "adapting" it.

I've heard The Witcher suffers/ed from this (≥S02), as some writers hated the original stuff (in which case, why are you here and/or why were you hired?).

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by joquarky »

Supermancho wrote: post #22
idle_zealot wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what you mean by "fool". These aren't real events, there's no such thing as an indisputable timeline outside of the context of an individual work. If Disney wants to make Star Wars movies set in a world where the sequel trilogy didn't happen, what's wrong with that, other than it potentially being confusing to viewers?

Indeed, a story is whatever the viewer wants it to be, because it's fiction. Disney marketing and time are effective brain-o. Nobody will care in a couple decades, other than the niche watchers of the "real story behind Star Wars Disney".

At least a quarter of the population applies this to non-fiction as well.

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by joquarky »

GenerWork wrote: post #13
idle_zealot wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what you mean by "fool". These aren't real events, there's no such thing as an indisputable timeline outside of the context of an individual work. If Disney wants to make Star Wars movies set in a world where the sequel trilogy didn't happen, what's wrong with that, other than it potentially being confusing to viewers?

The article says that Disney wants to move the current sequels to a brand new timeline which implies that this new timeline is an official timeline in the sense that it's blessed by Disney, but it's not the timeline that most people would consider to be the official timeline, aka the timeline where the original and sequel trilogies happened. It's basically Disney going "Well, we can't ditch this, but it kinda sorta h…

This is like resoving a plot with "it was all just a dream".

Which is fine, but you only get one; and people will invest less in future stories knowing they have a higher chance of resolving cheaply.

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by rawgabbit »

Well I don’t know a lot about the reasons, but as a fan who watched the first film in the theater in 1977… I LOVED THE FIRST THREE FILMS.

I got turned off by the Britishness of the Kylo Ren and Rey films. The actors had posh British accents; I felt they belonged on a Shakespearean stage. Not on an American popular sci fi film. It was weird. I thought Natalie Portman in the earlier films embraced the American silliness of the films and toned down her British accent and was a fun watch. Even the actor who played Emperor Palpatine understood the campy nature of the films and dove into nerddom lore.

The Kylo Ren and Rey films, to me, was a remake of MacBeth. And I hate MacBeth.

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by funimpoded »

randycupertino wrote: post #38
rendleflag wrote: post #29

The biggest problem is fans. They want to re-experience what they had when they first saw it, then get mad when the movies don't live up to their past experience. I was 7 when Star Wars came out. I had all the toys. I saw the movie a dozen times. It was an experience. As an adult, when I watch to again, I think “wow, this is really not good.” The special effects hold up , but the acting, the dialog, the pacing is all…

> the pacing is all 'meh' I thought the pacing for Asoka was particularly glacial. I get they were going with a thoughtful/slow burn but there was soooo much empty staring into space, landscape shots, filler content walking through the highlands with nothing happening, etc. I think they should have gotten Thrawn in the mix by episode 3!

Lots of these franchise-connected series are flabby as hell. Netflix’s marvel series were almost all very bad about this, but so are most of the Disney Marvel series. On the Star Wars side, whatever positive qualities they may exhibit, Asoka and the Kenobi show both could have used large cuts. Even the relatively-speaking excellent Andor often doesn’t make effective use of its time.

I’m not sure what it is about the economics of this form of the medium that causes that to happen.

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by discord23 »

randycupertino wrote: post #27

I'm surprised Mando and Grogu is testing so poorly. Maybe I'm a nerd but I was very excited for it! > The Mandalorian and Grogu is currently tracking for around an $80 million domestic opening over Memorial Day weekend—a number that would make it the lowest debut in Star Wars theatrical history.

I'm not. The first season was great, a nice little star wars story with memorable characters, nice character arc, a good overall narrative arc. The second season was a setup for two spinoff shows, both of which I didn't have much interest in. Let's not mention Luke Skywalker, who absolutely had to be there because Star Wars can't do without him. The third season implied that I had to watch a show I had no interest in for the full story, and honestly was really mediocre for me. I have zero interest in this movie because of that last season.

Truth be told, I wouldn't be surprised if a certain amount of Star Wars fatigue is setting in as well, at least for me. Most of the TV stuff produced since Disney took over has been averaging towards mediocre or falling flat. I feel it's like post-Endgame Marvel, where as a viewer you've kind of gotten what you want out of the franchise and are ready for something entirely different. I think that if Andor is the last thing Star Wars I watch, it can end for me on a high note.

But that's all just my personal opinion.

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by busterarm »

tfigueroa wrote: post #7
busterarm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's one thing to subvert everything that your fanbase loves about a franchise, but if you don't give the audience any narrative payoff for doing so don't be surprised when they come to burn your house down.

Precisely. RoS turned TLJ into a mistake. A different sequel could have paid things off. Maybe.

Everything they'd said publicly kinda made it seem like they had no actual plan for how to follow up TLJ.

That said, I've never been a big Star Wars fan and not super invested either way.

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by randycupertino »

discord23 wrote: post #48
randycupertino wrote: post #27

I'm surprised Mando and Grogu is testing so poorly. Maybe I'm a nerd but I was very excited for it! > The Mandalorian and Grogu is currently tracking for around an $80 million domestic opening over Memorial Day weekend—a number that would make it the lowest debut in Star Wars theatrical history.

I'm not. The first season was great, a nice little star wars story with memorable characters, nice character arc, a good overall narrative arc. The second season was a setup for two spinoff shows, both of which I didn't have much interest in. Let's not mention Luke Skywalker, who absolutely had to be there because Star Wars can't do without him. The third season implied that I had to watch a show I had no interest in…

I really loved Kuiil and the blurrgs.

Agree they are milking it like Marvel for more and more content, which is making everything feel watered down and less compelling!

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