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Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
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Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
#42From what I've seen on YouTube the cars do drive themselves. This seems more like the type of thing with AI where people change the goal posts of what AI means. Just because a car did not slow down in a school zone, that doesn't mean that the car wasn't driving itself.
This is a common misconception. People tend to think driving is controlling the steering and pedals, so if FSD does those things it must be driving. It's not. Driving is whatever has ultimate responsibility for the vehicle and its occupants. If a cop pulls you over while FSD is enabled, it's not Tesla who's paying the ticket. If FSD has an issue, you're the driver who has to respond. Think of FSD as a very nice cruis…
It's a common misconception because the thing is called "full self driving."
Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
#43That idea of a simultaneous small claims day is brilliant. I hope somebody is vibecoding that site up right now.
Be sure to vibe code a way for everyone to save money and hire the same process serving company to do service by hand of multiple suits in bulk at the same time.
Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
#44From what I've seen on YouTube the cars do drive themselves. This seems more like the type of thing with AI where people change the goal posts of what AI means. Just because a car did not slow down in a school zone, that doesn't mean that the car wasn't driving itself.
AI never had goalposts, it means programming meant to look like human behavior. Like AI opponents in old video games.
Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
#45So I skimmed several articles and the reasons why the Theranos CEO was sentenced to 11 years are
1. The scale of the fraud was too big
2. From emails it seemed she intentionally tricked investors
3. The product, medical equipment, endangered patients.
Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure I agree with your second sentence, at least in the US. I may see "cheese product" or "dairy product" or "cheese flavor" but if it says real cheese, it's real cheese. My favorite example was seeing "onion (then in tiny text 'flavored') rings"
They even banned the term "soy milk" It's now called "non dairy soy beverage" on every carton.
We should just put non-dairy on all beverages that are non-dairy. Non-dairy Mountain Dew. Non-dairy sweetened lemon beverage. Non-dairy gin. Non-dairy water.
Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
#47I recovered ~$250,000 under beverly song act (California lemon law). (My principal and interest back for multiple vehicles) I repeatedly complained it was activating “emergency lane departure” while driving manually, even after disabling the setting. This had the effect of the vehicles swerving towards cross walks or walls. Clearly a software issue but they played dumb and forced me to book service visits and refused…
I’ve had this type of issue on multiple European car brands. Software issues with driver assistance features, which they keep ignoring. Things like sudden unexplained braking, not showing down due to cars stopped ahead, swerving randomly... I accepted it because getting them to cover anything, even physical things, even under warranty. They just come up with self serving guidelines and excuses. Glad you had success.…
At this point I want basically no driver assistance features except maybe an automatic cruise control speed adjustment to vehicle directly in the lane ahead based on forward facing radar data. Many of them seem to be much more troublesome or buggy than they're worth.
Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
#48It's not him they're fighting, it's precedence and the impending flood of lawsuits.
It's a small claims court, there is no precedence. Tesla didn't even reply so it just went to default judgement
The article says there's already been other small claims over this where they settled, such as in 2023 in the UK also for $10k
Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
#49So I skimmed several articles and the reasons why the Theranos CEO was sentenced to 11 years are 1. The scale of the fraud was too big 2. From emails it seemed she intentionally tricked investors 3. The product, medical equipment, endangered patients. I think this can be applied to Tesla too (though I'm not sure there is enough evidence of 2). Shouldn't someone in charge be sentenced to at least a few years?
2 more, most important reasons she was sentenced:
1. She stopped making money for rich people.
2. She herself wasn’t rich enough.
Leon is too rich, and he keeps on making money for the right people.
Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’ve had this type of issue on multiple European car brands. Software issues with driver assistance features, which they keep ignoring. Things like sudden unexplained braking, not showing down due to cars stopped ahead, swerving randomly... I accepted it because getting them to cover anything, even physical things, even under warranty. They just come up with self serving guidelines and excuses. Glad you had success.…
At this point I want basically no driver assistance features except maybe an automatic cruise control speed adjustment to vehicle directly in the lane ahead based on forward facing radar data. Many of them seem to be much more troublesome or buggy than they're worth.
I've heard new Toyota's sensors cause it to constantly beep and you can't turn it off. Probably due to a regulation somewhere.