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After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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It’s clear at this point local models are sufficient so what gives? These big providers don’t have a leg to stand on. Their only path to relevance is super ai that local models can’t run. So the “we have it but you can’t use it” is either true or a con. I bet it’s a con. I personally am ready to buy the drop when this bubble pops.

I’m not up to date on local models, but is that clear?

Gemma4:e4b is crazy good and quite usable on 10 years old midrange hardware.

Not sure about the security capabilities and haven't tested it all that well, as I usually just use hosted models, but I do find myself using it and it's been quite successful for parsing unstructured data, writing small focused scripts and translations.

The fact that I retain control of the data itself makes it incredibly useful, as I work in an environment where I can't just paste internal stuff into Codex.

But since it's run locally on a toaster testing it is out of scope for me. It takes a fairly long time to do anything.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These models demonstrably have good vulnerability research capabilities. I'm sure their marketing department is ecstatic but you guys are far more hype-based than what you're calling out.

> demonstrably I'm not entirely up to date on each week's LLM hype train/scandal but last I heard there was no public access to it or public-trusted 3rd parties that can review model's capabilities

It’s easy to end up with no public-trusted third parties if we arbitrarily distrust third parties who say the capabilities match what’s promised. Mozilla for example says it found hundreds of Firefox vulnerabilities, and I think it’s pretty unlikely they’re lying to cover Anthropic’s back.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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"my model is the most dangerous" "No mine is the most dangerous" "Nuh uh mine is" "Mine could kill everyone!" "Mine could do it faster!" "Prove it!!!" This is where we are

Yeah I guess two companies who would otherwise be considered going for bankruptcy have models too expensive to run. As they don't see themselves making money any time soon, they have to turn every future model into a weird fascination.

think about it in the form of who can pay. theyre at b2b. and swiftly moving to government.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I guess two companies who would otherwise be considered going for bankruptcy have models too expensive to run. As they don't see themselves making money any time soon, they have to turn every future model into a weird fascination.

think about it in the form of who can pay. theyre at b2b. and swiftly moving to government.

All that user data is a huge asset for government contracts.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

AGI: Automatically Generating Income

This is a surprisingly concrete and defensible definition of AGI.

Is it defensible? It sounds like a thin disguise over "income for me but not for thee"?

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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post #13

My thinking is that if there would be more money in releasing Mythos and Cyber than there is in just scary unverifiable (or verified using very favorable context - Mythos) propaganda, they would. These aren't people that go for second best or care about the state of the world.

they are already getting paid for opus 4.7, why would they release mythos?

assuming mythos is a paper tiger: great marketing, keep going

assuming mythos is for real: err, does this have to be explained?

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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"my model is the most dangerous" "No mine is the most dangerous" "Nuh uh mine is" "Mine could kill everyone!" "Mine could do it faster!" "Prove it!!!" This is where we are

Marketing stunts. The equivalent of holding a line outside a popular bar.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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post #49

"my model is the most dangerous" "No mine is the most dangerous" "Nuh uh mine is" "Mine could kill everyone!" "Mine could do it faster!" "Prove it!!!" This is where we are

Marketing stunts. The equivalent of holding a line outside a popular bar.

Given the USG has asked Anthropic not to release Mythos I'd wager it's more than a marketing stunt.
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