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Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Post by Auzy »

The Mac Studio definitely shouldn't be.

My M2 studio was the only computer I ever owned that had issues with the USBC ports not working with certain cables (and for the price, it should have had better performance).

I've owned a M2 Mac Studio, PowerMac G5, Mac Pro. Every single one had flaws that you would consider inexcusable on PC Hardware priced half that amount.

The PowerMac G5 had terrible video cards (the liquid cooled ones also had issues with leaks, but ignoring that). The Mac Pro also had terrible Video cards (they were PCI-X), but also Fully Buffered ECC ram (which cost substantially more than any other ram)..

Apple still can't even manufacture a proper mouse (who the hell puts a USB C port at the bottom).

It's ridiculous..

If Linux distro's had a way to integrate Android as a first class citizen (like IOS is in MacOS), it would greatly boost the number of apps available in ecosystem, and have a huge impact on MacOS I feel. Waydroid is good, but, it still is too clunky (I'd like to see something more like Wine for Android, where its native)

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Post by ajvs »

Auzy wrote: post #41

The Mac Studio definitely shouldn't be. My M2 studio was the only computer I ever owned that had issues with the USBC ports not working with certain cables (and for the price, it should have had better performance). I've owned a M2 Mac Studio, PowerMac G5, Mac Pro. Every single one had flaws that you would consider inexcusable on PC Hardware priced half that amount. The PowerMac G5 had terrible video cards (the liqui…

Valve's Lepton (Waydroid fork) might solve this when it gets released.

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

#43

Post by nirava »

valleyer wrote: post #37
brailsafe wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you literally just need to borrow one, I'd just buy an Air from Apple directly and then return it within the 14 day window. I'll sometimes do this if I need an extended repair on my personal one, or there's a new mac I want to try.

This is unethical.

If the return policy explicitly allows "change of mind", I'd say it's in the gray area. Though ofc it isn't sustainable if everyone starts doing this. I assume there's a ((returns:buys)/payment identity) metric to ban the largest offenders.

Also, there should be some universally accepted way to have access to your data and a secure personal computer in the duration your device is getting repaired.

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

#44

Post by jmalicki »

Auzy wrote: post #41

The Mac Studio definitely shouldn't be. My M2 studio was the only computer I ever owned that had issues with the USBC ports not working with certain cables (and for the price, it should have had better performance). I've owned a M2 Mac Studio, PowerMac G5, Mac Pro. Every single one had flaws that you would consider inexcusable on PC Hardware priced half that amount. The PowerMac G5 had terrible video cards (the liqui…

But the Mac Studio can run LLMs reasonably faster better than non-enterprise-server setup. That is the only thing that matters at this point - it's an LLM accelerator, not a personal computer, at this point.

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Post by MikeNotThePope »

bottlepalm wrote: post #20
morphle wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, ton's of refurbished for $250-$300

Yea it does look like 5 year old M1's are going for $300 on eBay, but man that's painful a 5 year old machine for that much when you could get a new Neo or Mini for $600, if only you could buy them. I probably should just get the M1, test and sell it back on eBay. Thanks.

If a $300 Mac can do the job, a $600 Mac is overkill.

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

#46

Post by t-writescode »

Auzy wrote: post #41

The Mac Studio definitely shouldn't be. My M2 studio was the only computer I ever owned that had issues with the USBC ports not working with certain cables (and for the price, it should have had better performance). I've owned a M2 Mac Studio, PowerMac G5, Mac Pro. Every single one had flaws that you would consider inexcusable on PC Hardware priced half that amount. The PowerMac G5 had terrible video cards (the liqui…

Why ... did you put so much energy into typing this out? That's a lot of energy to put into .... something you don't like and probably shouldn't care so much about.

Do you wish you could go back to macs?

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

#47

Post by iLoveOncall »

Auzy wrote: post #41

The Mac Studio definitely shouldn't be. My M2 studio was the only computer I ever owned that had issues with the USBC ports not working with certain cables (and for the price, it should have had better performance). I've owned a M2 Mac Studio, PowerMac G5, Mac Pro. Every single one had flaws that you would consider inexcusable on PC Hardware priced half that amount. The PowerMac G5 had terrible video cards (the liqui…

Low supply doesn't mean high demand. I don't think many people are buying Mac Studios, so they just lowered production.

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Post by ffsm8 »

zarzavat wrote: post #39
wiradikusuma wrote: post #3

I guess the sudden demand is due to OpenClaw? But most people will still use cloud LLMs, right? Anything particular with the Mac Mini that non-Mac lack?

Not just OpenClaw. The Mac mini is just stupidly good value for a desktop computer, and the RAM prices have only enhanced its appeal. Apple doesn't make much of a fuss about it but their chip performance is laughably ahead of the other chipmakers. The Mac Mini M4 gets a score of 3788 in Geekbench[0]. The top of the PC processor chart is 3395[1]. It's not even Apple's latest chip! PC processors can only keep up by add…

If you remove the Mac filter, its performance is not even in the top ten

Which is obvious if you spent more then half a microsecond thinking about it, because apple silicone barely draws any power - it's performance is fantastic in it's niche, which is squarely within what a home user cares about - but it's not leading on benchmark performance, because that's not what apple designed it for

The reason its coincidentally good for local ai inference is also just down to the fact the embedded GPU has shared memory access to the system VRAM. That means low performance/throughput but large memory.

Which is great for home use, but once again not gonna top charts.

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Post by forsalebypwner »

dyauspitr wrote: post #35
bottlepalm wrote: post #2

The Neo as well, I just need a Mac to test with and finding one is ridiculous. Hackintoshes are hell to setup and run like crap. I tried https://www.macincloud.com/ and that was a waste of time. Someone take my money.

I don’t even think you can do hackintoshes anymore post Apple silicon right? I remember having one about 10 years ago and it was absolutely fantastic and ran really well. Wish we could do that now so I wouldn’t have to develop apps on my M3 MacBook Air, which constantly runs out of memory and is a huge pain.

You can for now, but in the very near future (macOS 27 I think?) Apple will completely drop support for Intel, and Hackintosh will be dead
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