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If Apple makes an iPad Neo, it's all over

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Re: If Apple makes an iPad Neo, it's all over

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For all of the Apple hate recently (with glass + MacOS bugs) - it's still great to be able to invest in high quality hardware. I made the switch to Mac, oh about 12 yrs ago, and sometimes forget how spoilt we are with really tight hardware + software integration.

The hardware is great, but it has been crippled by the software. That still makes it a bad product, imho.

Re: If Apple makes an iPad Neo, it's all over

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I think the industry has already agreed to give this product category to Apple. Everyone needs a phone, but only specific types of users need a tablet. Apple's tablet is Good Enough for everyone, and they last forever. The o.g. iPad Air we bought in Nov 2020 is still chugging along and we use it... basically only to watch movies on airplane rides etc. And I am primarily a linux/android user, but this is the one Apple…

I had an iPad that Appled forced into obsolecence. I had to throw a perfectly ok piece of hardware on the trash because it was madr unusable by the manufacturer. It's the main reason I despise Apple, including its hardware. I replaced it with a Samsung A7. It's even better than the iPad as I could sideload a manga reader that syncs with Komga, amazing stuff to read manga. And I can install LineageOS if need be. Objec…

wtf are you talking about apple supports their devices significantly longer than android..

Re: If Apple makes an iPad Neo, it's all over

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I never understood googles strategy in mobile. At the beginning I assumed that they would make a reference platform showing what's possible - a high-end pixel with all of the latest hardware and software features to promote their OS and software. Driving advancement in hardware by others using android. But instead it seems like they're competing at all levels with their hardware and are trying to win at consumer-leve…

Google just sucks at this. The Nexus and early Pixel eras have been a series of weirdly positioned and priced models year after year. Google didn't even bother trying to sell them in more than a handful countries. Then Google switched to a pretty bad Exynos based SoC and consistently shipped underwhelming hardware at price points aligned with Apple... requiring absolutely insane discounts or promotion campaigns, even…

> Can you imagine Apple giving you AirPods Pro or a Watch if you buy the next iPhone 18 on day 1?

Apple does exactly this, they just launder it out to their carrier partners. My wife's carrier was recently offering a free Apple Watch if you pre-ordered a new iPhone before launch.

Similarly, Apple was already selling a laptop (the M1 MacBook Air) at MacBook Neo prices, but only via Walmart (and they were continuing production of the M1 MBA specifically for this deal).

Re: If Apple makes an iPad Neo, it's all over

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You can already buy a $349 tablet. Is $200 really the bottom price where growth skyrockets? I’m doubtful.

You can also buy very cheap laptop prior, but the hardware wasn't that good... Until MacBook Neo came along.

I think this is pointing out that the base iPad which has nice hardware is already 350 and 200 is not gonna encourage that many new buyers.

Re: If Apple makes an iPad Neo, it's all over

#45
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I think the industry has already agreed to give this product category to Apple. Everyone needs a phone, but only specific types of users need a tablet. Apple's tablet is Good Enough for everyone, and they last forever. The o.g. iPad Air we bought in Nov 2020 is still chugging along and we use it... basically only to watch movies on airplane rides etc. And I am primarily a linux/android user, but this is the one Apple…

> only specific types of users need a tablet

In my case I use my 8.4" tablet to watch free to air TV with a TVHeadend client for Android (no idea if there is one for iOS.) I run a couple of YouTube alternative apps that Google would love to kill. Firefox. Not much else. It's handy as a portable TV set.

Re: If Apple makes an iPad Neo, it's all over

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I had an iPad that Appled forced into obsolecence. I had to throw a perfectly ok piece of hardware on the trash because it was madr unusable by the manufacturer. It's the main reason I despise Apple, including its hardware. I replaced it with a Samsung A7. It's even better than the iPad as I could sideload a manga reader that syncs with Komga, amazing stuff to read manga. And I can install LineageOS if need be. Objec…

Why wouldn't you just recycle it instead of throwing it in the trash? Seems wasteful.

I threw it into a recycle bin for electronic devices.

Also called trash.

Re: If Apple makes an iPad Neo, it's all over

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I had an iPad that Appled forced into obsolecence. I had to throw a perfectly ok piece of hardware on the trash because it was madr unusable by the manufacturer. It's the main reason I despise Apple, including its hardware. I replaced it with a Samsung A7. It's even better than the iPad as I could sideload a manga reader that syncs with Komga, amazing stuff to read manga. And I can install LineageOS if need be. Objec…

How did apple make it unusable? What model?

I don't remember the model. It waa purchased in 2012. Thrown into the trash circa 2019.

7 years lifespan. My Samsung A7 is nearly there.

Re: If Apple makes an iPad Neo, it's all over

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Apple hardware isn't exceptional, it's maybe slightly above average, sometimes, and still costs more than it should - even the neo with its paltry 8GB of RAM. Apple has had plenty of hardware problems and design foibles. So many. Their software is equally average in most respects, and has a far smaller market share worldwide across all form factors they support. iOS is the reason I'll never own another iPad. I mean,…

> Apple hardware isn't exceptional, it's maybe slightly above average Is this a serious statement? If Apple's hardware is maybe slightly above average - what's above it? It's an easy company to hate on - but you don't have any other platform integrated as well as Apple's right now IMO. Unless you maybe count Huawei. Edit: I think I may be referring more to the holistic picture. But still curious what hardware you thi…

> Is this a serious statement? If Apple's hardware is maybe slightly above average - what's above it?

The only hardware I can think of that's consistently higher-quality than Apple is niche stuff at a much higher price point.

e.g. the Seneca keyboard, Sennheiser Orpheus headphones, etc.

Re: If Apple makes an iPad Neo, it's all over

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post #6

I think the industry has already agreed to give this product category to Apple. Everyone needs a phone, but only specific types of users need a tablet. Apple's tablet is Good Enough for everyone, and they last forever. The o.g. iPad Air we bought in Nov 2020 is still chugging along and we use it... basically only to watch movies on airplane rides etc. And I am primarily a linux/android user, but this is the one Apple…

The only Apple product I still have is a 2010 ipad 1. Only use it as a clock, violin tuner, and workout timer, but am amazed it's still going like an old volkswagen.

Re: If Apple makes an iPad Neo, it's all over

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Google just sucks at this. The Nexus and early Pixel eras have been a series of weirdly positioned and priced models year after year. Google didn't even bother trying to sell them in more than a handful countries. Then Google switched to a pretty bad Exynos based SoC and consistently shipped underwhelming hardware at price points aligned with Apple... requiring absolutely insane discounts or promotion campaigns, even…

> Can you imagine Apple giving you AirPods Pro or a Watch if you buy the next iPhone 18 on day 1? Apple does exactly this, they just launder it out to their carrier partners. My wife's carrier was recently offering a free Apple Watch if you pre-ordered a new iPhone before launch. Similarly, Apple was already selling a laptop (the M1 MacBook Air) at MacBook Neo prices, but only via Walmart (and they were continuing pr…

Carrier deals aren't comparable as they're subsidized by inflated phone plans.

If you buy an iPhone on day 1 from the Apple store you're certainly not getting any gift or discount. With Google you can pre-order and get a $200-300 gift, wait for deals (Black Friday, Christmas, ...) or if you aren't in a rush, wait six months for resellers and carriers to invariably start dumping their stock at half the MSRP. Meanwhile the base iPhone price has decreased by 10-15% maybe.

And I don't see how older MacBook Airs are relevant here. Apple has always sold previous generations of their hardware for years, directly or indirectly, either by actively maintaining production or simply letting resellers deal with old stocks. Google keeping the previous year generation on their product line-up is a very recent development. Not very long ago they would abruptly stop selling the Pixel N before the N+1 were even announced.

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