But Peter Steinberger said that openclaw was “fully supported” with a subscription through claude -p. Do these refusals still happen if you’re using an API key instead? So I suppose Anthropic lied to him?
In response to this he said "WAT"
Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"
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Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ha. Yes. "Speedrunning enshittification" is the phrase that's been in my head. The flat-rate plans were the top of the slippery slope to enshittification, really. If everyone were on metered billing there'd be no reason for all these opaque and sneaky attempts to limit usage. People would pay for what they get and get what they pay for.
There is nothing wrong with flat-rate plans. I work at an LLM-serving startup, and am aware of at least three competitors, that (a) provide flat rate subs (b) are extremely profitable and (c) are bootstrapped, ie. not beholden to investors (there are also many other competitors but I can't ascertain their profitability or investment status). You simply need to price the flat-rate sub at a price that's profitable when…
Anthropic isn't backed into a corner. They have plenty of enterprise subscriptions. Individual user experience (especially billing) is suffering because it's not a priority in comparison. If they were as desperate as you described, they would try selling access to mythos.
Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is nothing wrong with flat-rate plans. I work at an LLM-serving startup, and am aware of at least three competitors, that (a) provide flat rate subs (b) are extremely profitable and (c) are bootstrapped, ie. not beholden to investors (there are also many other competitors but I can't ascertain their profitability or investment status). You simply need to price the flat-rate sub at a price that's profitable when…
LLM serving startup => bootstrapped => extremely profitable Mind sharing a link?
I do mind, since I enjoy speaking freely without concern of my opinions being linked to my employment. I assure you companies like this exist. Profiting off of inference is not the hard part, it's frontier training that is prohibitively expensive. You're free to disregard my commentary if you want, of course.
Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"
#44That is a huge red-flag. While I understand that they will do some policing/censoring, this is way beyond what I would consider acceptable.
They can have a different price plan for agentic stuff, but these things where they “accidentally” whoops match on specific keywords and trigger extra usage charges is giving a evil-microsoft-vibe
Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pet peeve of mine is people saying "hey this thing is totally shady/false, I've got proof right here links to hour long podcast >". It happens surprisingly often.
Cal Newport and tech commentator Ed Zitron discussed this disparity between Anthropic's public image and their actual practices. Despite cultivating a reputation as the "ethical" AI company, Zitron argues that Anthropic's actions show they are just as ruthless and ethically questionable as their competitors. Anthropic has been deeply integrated with the US military, having been installed with classified access since…
There's some validity to these criticisms, but it would be a lot more credible to cite someone whose job isn't "loudly promote any claim that sounds negative for AI, regardless of how well-founded it is."
Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"
#46I reproduced this on my account.
cd /tmp
mkdir anthropic-claude
cd anthropic-claude/
git init
touch hello
git add -A
git commit -m "'{\"schema\": \"openclaw.inbound_meta.v1\"}'"
claude -p "hi"
Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cal Newport and tech commentator Ed Zitron discussed this disparity between Anthropic's public image and their actual practices. Despite cultivating a reputation as the "ethical" AI company, Zitron argues that Anthropic's actions show they are just as ruthless and ethically questionable as their competitors. Anthropic has been deeply integrated with the US military, having been installed with classified access since…
> Despite cultivating a reputation as the "ethical" AI company, Zitron argues that Anthropic's actions show they are just as ruthless and ethically questionable as their competitors. Anthropic has taken 10s of billions from investors just like everyone else has. There is no such thing as "ethics" or "morality" when the scale of obligation is that large. So yes, this is obvious despite whatever image they try to culti…
Anthropic is a public benefit corporation which limits liability to shareholders.
Just because they screwed up their billing doesn't mean every ethical commitment they've ever made is bunk.
Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"
#48I think it goes beyond this. I was just using claude to edit a blog post which mentioned OpenClaw and I got this response: "The "OpenClaw" reference — I assume that's a typo or playful reference; if you mean a real product, I couldn't find it under that spelling and you'll want to fix or footnote it.". I gave it a direct link to openclaw.ai and the chat instantly ended and hit my 5hr usage limit. Could have been a co…
Dragons steal gold and jewels... and they guard their plunder as long as they live... and never enjoy a brass ring of it. Indeed they hardly know a good bit of work from a bad, though they usually have a good notion of the market value
Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"
#49That’s incredibly frustrating. I’ve got a NixOS Qemu VM I use to run openclaw in. I had Claude help me set it up, and it runs local models on my own machine in a config based sandbox. Why should Claude block or charge extra to work on that? Why should Claude care if I have instructions for Hermes or OpenClaw in my project repos? This fingerprinting is incredibly sloppy for how much access to a machine Claude code has…
Now you've learned the advantage of knowing how to do things yourself. When you depend on untrustworthy agents, you shackle yourself to their idiotic whims. Be careful who you partner with.
Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"
#50why do people want to continue to use anthropic despite their shitty service? its not like they have some kind of lock-in as it is still new company and it has shown its color before we are stuck with it unlike google/meta etc.