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The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by conartist6 »

isoprophlex wrote: post #20
anianz wrote: post #13

> Freystaetter and Gottlieb both say that instead of their own generation, they are more worried about Gen Alpha and other young people that come after them, who lose their chance to develop healthy relationships with technologies when they become mandatory and ubiquitous. I remember similar concerns from Millennials about Gen-Z with the Internet and social media. In the end the Internet and Social Media Gen-Z grew u…

I have three (gen A) kids, of which two are of the age to have opinions on this. They tell me I don't have a real job because I just tell the computer what to do, and I don't do the thing myself (to which I can't help but respond that they're absolutely right). If I try to spin them a bullshit story, they tell me how can that be true and maybe I got brainwashed by AI. Also they hate ads with a passion. If anything, I…

You have smart kids.

Once you use AI for all your work you won't be growing anymore, just fading away

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by banannaise »

htx80nerd wrote: post #34
jdw64 wrote: post #2

The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes. Synthesizing different opinions, summarizing them, and producing outputs based on statistics are things AI does well. But AI is actually not very good at replacing an entire lower-level worker’s job as a whole. It works well only when that work is broken down into smaller and smaller tasks. The core problem is this: the coercive force of AI use…

>The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes. Synthesizing different opinions, summarizing them, and producing outputs based on statistics are things AI does well. AI just repeats whatever the prevailing opinion is at that time. I am a very heavy AI user (Claude, Gemini, ChatGPT) and have queried it on a variety of topics. AI is not thinking, it is repeating.

Thus replacing the work of the upper classes.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by ben_w »

htx80nerd wrote: post #34
jdw64 wrote: post #2

The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes. Synthesizing different opinions, summarizing them, and producing outputs based on statistics are things AI does well. But AI is actually not very good at replacing an entire lower-level worker’s job as a whole. It works well only when that work is broken down into smaller and smaller tasks. The core problem is this: the coercive force of AI use…

>The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes. Synthesizing different opinions, summarizing them, and producing outputs based on statistics are things AI does well. AI just repeats whatever the prevailing opinion is at that time. I am a very heavy AI user (Claude, Gemini, ChatGPT) and have queried it on a variety of topics. AI is not thinking, it is repeating.

> AI just repeats whatever the prevailing opinion is at that time.

That would be an improvement. They are generally far too sychophantic to just repeat the prevailing opinion, and instead synthesise the opinion that they think wants to be heard by the user.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by jdw64 »

htx80nerd wrote: post #34
jdw64 wrote: post #2

The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes. Synthesizing different opinions, summarizing them, and producing outputs based on statistics are things AI does well. But AI is actually not very good at replacing an entire lower-level worker’s job as a whole. It works well only when that work is broken down into smaller and smaller tasks. The core problem is this: the coercive force of AI use…

>The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes. Synthesizing different opinions, summarizing them, and producing outputs based on statistics are things AI does well. AI just repeats whatever the prevailing opinion is at that time. I am a very heavy AI user (Claude, Gemini, ChatGPT) and have queried it on a variety of topics. AI is not thinking, it is repeating.

I agree with the view that AI does not truly think and cannot produce genuinely original opinions. It is difficult for AI to give answers that lie far outside the average distribution of its training data. In that sense, it is not very good at producing truly novel business insights.

But that is not what most “work” usually means. Work is mostly repetitive. The actual moment of decision is brief.

So what do I mean by work here? I mean the collection, organization, and synthesis of the materials needed before reaching that decision.

For that part of the process, AI is extremely effective.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by alephnerd »

techno303 wrote: post #30
alephnerd wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes This is why the harshest critics of AI tend to be white collar workers of this social class. The same kinds that told coal miners and autoworkers to "learn to code" and called them deplorables for voting nativist in 2016. Any chance to build mutual trust was squandered. The jobs worst impacted by AI are jobs where most of the workers are Democr…

gonna push back on this i don't see a relationship betwern criticism and the chance of automation/replacement the harshest critics that i see tend to be, almost ubiquitously, creatives perhaps just my walk of life

There's a reason the "creatives" are called the "chattering class"

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by coldpie »

Insanity wrote: post #12

Paywalled so I can't read the article. However, is this exclusive to young people? I'm a millenial (early 90s) and I share their sentiment. I might not share it for the same reason though. Personally, I'm concerned about what AI usage would do to my cognitive ability, and as such I try to limit my use. I can't avoid using it at work (we're being tracked on "AI Adoption") and it does genuinely speed up some of my task…

I don't think it's exclusive to young people, no. I'm a couple years older than you. All of my friends also hate it and make fun of it. Like some of the people in the article, I'm also looking to get out of the tech industry and find something else to do other than be forced to talk to shitty robots. If they want to fire me for not using their crappy tech enough, fine. I don't care anymore.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by glhaynes »

burnte wrote: post #26
isoprophlex wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have three (gen A) kids, of which two are of the age to have opinions on this. They tell me I don't have a real job because I just tell the computer what to do, and I don't do the thing myself (to which I can't help but respond that they're absolutely right). If I try to spin them a bullshit story, they tell me how can that be true and maybe I got brainwashed by AI. Also they hate ads with a passion. If anything, I…

> They tell me I don't have a real job because I just tell the computer what to do, and I don't do the thing myself (to which I can't help but respond that they're absolutely right). For most of computing history this has been the case, too!

Can't be doing rEaL woRk unless you're flipping front panel switches to input machine code instructions.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by School-Cotton »

john_strinlai wrote: post #38
School-Cotton wrote: post #11

I don’t understand why people act like we just have to submit to the AI revolution. We can make this technology illegal, and shut it down completely. Why don’t we?

the genie is out of the bottle. no government on earth will make ai outright illegal. they are the perfect thing to shrug accountability onto, let alone all of the actual semi-useful reasons of keeping ai legal. how would you even make it illegal? people have local models everywhere. if your country makes it illegal but mine doesnt, people from your country will just vpn and access them in my country. it would have t…

We make child porn illegal which is even easier to copy than local LLMs. It doesn’t work perfectly, of course there are people who still have it, but we could dramatically reduce the number of people with local LLMs if we punished possession with long prison sentences.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by mzi »

jdw64 wrote: post #2

The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes. Synthesizing different opinions, summarizing them, and producing outputs based on statistics are things AI does well. But AI is actually not very good at replacing an entire lower-level worker’s job as a whole. It works well only when that work is broken down into smaller and smaller tasks. The core problem is this: the coercive force of AI use…

> In the past, a job that would have given me two months and paid $5,000 is now expected to be completed in two weeks for the same $5,000.

So you have quadrupled your income? That seems like the opposite of a collapse.

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