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The FCC is about to ban 21% of its test labs today. I mapped them all

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Re: The FCC is about to ban 21% of its test labs today. I mapped them all

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Well I couldn't find any other thorough dataset on this topic, so in that sense this is non-obvious since it took weeks to assemble the information. And it was fun doing it using the LLM Wiki technique.

> it was fun doing it using the LLM Wiki technique What is that?

https://gist.github.com/karpathy/442a6bf555914893e9891c11519...

Re: The FCC is about to ban 21% of its test labs today. I mapped them all

#42

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Well I couldn't find any other thorough dataset on this topic, so in that sense this is non-obvious since it took weeks to assemble the information. And it was fun doing it using the LLM Wiki technique.

> it was fun doing it using the LLM Wiki technique What is that?

The general idea is to have the LLM maintain longer-term context/background by storing it in a format/structure that's akin to a standard Wiki. The result is (hopefully) a series of human-readable and editable documents that's developed and maintained by the agent.

There's great coverage of it at https://gist.github.com/karpathy/442a6bf555914893e9891c11519...

It's actually also now a base capability in the Hermes agent and has been really helpful for me, at least.

Re: The FCC is about to ban 21% of its test labs today. I mapped them all

#43

This article is excessively LLM written to the point that there’s barely any real information in between all of the unnecessary pie charts and repeated points. This move is being executed too broadly, in my opinion, but the “bad labs” problem especially in China is widely known in the industry. If you spend any time in the electronics industry at smaller companies you will encounter people who know Chinese labs that…

I've noticed a trend of calling every single article "This is AI or LLM, I can't stand it". And really, you can't tell. Nobody can tell. Humans write badly and blandly also. It's just a trope at this point. No, you're comment is an LLM.

I wake up, there is another psyop, I go to sleep

Re: The FCC is about to ban 21% of its test labs today. I mapped them all

#44

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I've noticed a trend of calling every single article "This is AI or LLM, I can't stand it". And really, you can't tell. Nobody can tell. Humans write badly and blandly also. It's just a trope at this point. No, you're comment is an LLM.

LLMs often have a distinct writing style. It's not guaranteed, you can get false positives and false negatives, but if you start paying attention it becomes obvious in many cases.

Yes, if you are using a generic LLM.

But you can tell it to use different styles. To be formal or in-formal, to insert colloquialisms or to remove.

People are depending on their own 'gut-sense' a lot, and not realizing they are really not correct.

If you think all it takes is paying attention, then you are missing it. It's both more widely used than assumed, and also now obscuring what is non-AI.

Re: The FCC is about to ban 21% of its test labs today. I mapped them all

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed a trend of calling every single article "This is AI or LLM, I can't stand it". And really, you can't tell. Nobody can tell. Humans write badly and blandly also. It's just a trope at this point. No, you're comment is an LLM.

LLMs often have a distinct writing style. It's not guaranteed, you can get false positives and false negatives, but if you start paying attention it becomes obvious in many cases.

My poor Reddit has been taken over by bots :(

Re: The FCC is about to ban 21% of its test labs today. I mapped them all

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> The core proposal bans all labs in China and Hong Kong, extending the "Bad Labs" rule the FCC adopted in May 2025. A broader proposal would also cut off labs in any country without a Mutual Recognition Agreement with the US, which adds 5 more labs (4 in India, 1 in Switzerland). Total at risk: 131 labs, 22.2% of the global total. As expected this is an attack on China-sourced electronics. I hope this isn’t the star…

Maybe someone here will start manufacturing these things? Of course initially, expecting the same quality and low price will likely be an issue. But over time it gets better is probably the idea. Will it actually happen, who can say? But I can understand the idea they have here. I'm not saying they'll be successful. Definitely not saying I agree with it. (There are far more effective ways to accomplish a manufacturin…

I would love to see reshoring, but we have to be realistic about it and target the areas most critical to sovereignty and security. The scale of Chinese manufacturing is mind boggling, and we probably aren’t going to be making random affordable consumer products any time soon.

Maybe the FCC lab rules ought to be more selective, allowing consumer goods but not commercial/industrial goods at these labs.

Alternatively, maybe we can subsidize the consumer. What I don’t want to see is everything becoming 10x more expensive or completely unavailable at home while the rest of the world gets to keep the status quo.

Re: The FCC is about to ban 21% of its test labs today. I mapped them all

#47

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> it was fun doing it using the LLM Wiki technique What is that?

https://gist.github.com/karpathy/442a6bf555914893e9891c11519...

Could you share the tools you used to do this? I'd love to organise my esoteric research side quests like this.

Re: The FCC is about to ban 21% of its test labs today. I mapped them all

#48

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Thanks for that insight on how the Chinese labs are perceived amongst hardware engineers. I know pie charts are decisive. I thought they were visually helpful in this instance.

> thought they were visually helpful in this instance If you're the author, can you comment on whether you used AI to write this? (Specifically, the text.) Where it might be suffering is in its presentation of a list of facts unorganised around any thesis. It took me until your China Question section to see the meat of your piece. If I had to suggest some edits, they would be making everything above that section more…

The content of the site is, as stated in my first comment and in the article itself, a nice looking wrapper on top of in essence, an llm Wiki that I put together with the help of Claude on the hardware certification universe. While I was building this data set out, I uncovered that the FCC had this vote today, so I thought it would be a good thing to share since it's timely and because I had just collected all of the relevant information tolp someone figure out how this impacts their hardware certification process (I use voice transcription to write this comment)

I very much appreciate your feedback. As I look at the article now. I totally see what you're saying. I should have let off what was going on with the vote today since that's what I referenced in the title of the post on here.

Re: The FCC is about to ban 21% of its test labs today. I mapped them all

#49

This article is excessively LLM written to the point that there’s barely any real information in between all of the unnecessary pie charts and repeated points. This move is being executed too broadly, in my opinion, but the “bad labs” problem especially in China is widely known in the industry. If you spend any time in the electronics industry at smaller companies you will encounter people who know Chinese labs that…

I've noticed a trend of calling every single article "This is AI or LLM, I can't stand it". And really, you can't tell. Nobody can tell. Humans write badly and blandly also. It's just a trope at this point. No, you're comment is an LLM.

No human* would waste the time to write a piece that is both highly polished while being so long that any useful information is spread so thinly it is essentially empty. This is how people "can tell" if it is written by AI.

Not a dig at this author by the way or saying it applies to this post, just in general.

*or if they did anyway, the result is the same: bad writing.

Re: The FCC is about to ban 21% of its test labs today. I mapped them all

#50

This will make testing more expensive and hence some will no longer bother to FCC test excluding the US from receiving their product. Especially small companies and startups. I did not FCC certify my product because the primary focus is for the European market but now I would also have to consider costs.

This is a valid concern. For the time being I'd expect Taiwanese labs to be a price comparable alternative, but this is a likely outcome.
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