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Re: OpenAI models coming to Amazon Bedrock: Interview with OpenAI and AWS CEOs

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Post by zmmmmm »

Availability through Bedrock has been a major driver in use of Anthropic in my org. And I am betting there is actual margin in it as well.

I wonder if this is directly linked to the split up with Microsoft. Just from my anecdata, OpenAI is getting completely ignored in serious enterprise deployments because what they offer on Azure sucks and there is no other corporate friendly way to get it. They probably saw themselves getting destroyed in enterprise and realised it was existential to be able to compete with Anthropic on AWS.

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Post by skybrian »

zmmmmm wrote: post #41

Availability through Bedrock has been a major driver in use of Anthropic in my org. And I am betting there is actual margin in it as well. I wonder if this is directly linked to the split up with Microsoft. Just from my anecdata, OpenAI is getting completely ignored in serious enterprise deployments because what they offer on Azure sucks and there is no other corporate friendly way to get it. They probably saw themse…

It seems pretty clear that OpenAI renegotiated their agreement in preparation for this:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47921248

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Post by [deleted] »

zmmmmm wrote: post #41

Availability through Bedrock has been a major driver in use of Anthropic in my org. And I am betting there is actual margin in it as well. I wonder if this is directly linked to the split up with Microsoft. Just from my anecdata, OpenAI is getting completely ignored in serious enterprise deployments because what they offer on Azure sucks and there is no other corporate friendly way to get it. They probably saw themse…

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Post by johnbarron »

epistasis wrote: post #10

Claude got a looooot more buy in with a lot of privacy-concerned orgs I work with because they could access it through their "trusted" intermediate Amazon. OpenAI has been banned and is not trusted. I'm not sure that I agree with these orgs' legal teams' assessments, but they definitely read the terms of service far closer than I did. We will see if this changes the equation, but it feels like OpenAI is pretty far be…

It just not about AWS being some "trusted intermediary"... it's that the model runs inside the customer own AWS account under a different contract. AWS explicitly states inputs/outputs are not shared with model providers and are not used to train base models [1]

And for OpenAI, there is a May 2025 preservation order in NYT v. OpenAI. The court is forcing OpenAI to retain ChatGPT output logs indefinitely, including chats users have deleted that would normally be purged within 30 days [2]. That makes it a non starter for HIPAA/GDPR bound orgs.

[1] https://aws.amazon.com/bedrock/faqs/

[2] https://openai.com/index/response-to-nyt-data-demands/

Re: OpenAI models coming to Amazon Bedrock: Interview with OpenAI and AWS CEOs

#45

Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #11
epistasis wrote: post #10

Claude got a looooot more buy in with a lot of privacy-concerned orgs I work with because they could access it through their "trusted" intermediate Amazon. OpenAI has been banned and is not trusted. I'm not sure that I agree with these orgs' legal teams' assessments, but they definitely read the terms of service far closer than I did. We will see if this changes the equation, but it feels like OpenAI is pretty far be…

They're also not focused exclusively only on building an LLM, they have video and image generation too. Anthropic has one single focus, and this is why they are usually at the very top in the SWE benchmarks.

Open AI is killing Sora though, so it looks like they are looking at Anthropic's playbook of focusing on enterprise use cases and seeing that it's more profitable.

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

johnbarron wrote: post #44
epistasis wrote: post #10

Claude got a looooot more buy in with a lot of privacy-concerned orgs I work with because they could access it through their "trusted" intermediate Amazon. OpenAI has been banned and is not trusted. I'm not sure that I agree with these orgs' legal teams' assessments, but they definitely read the terms of service far closer than I did. We will see if this changes the equation, but it feels like OpenAI is pretty far be…

It just not about AWS being some "trusted intermediary"... it's that the model runs inside the customer own AWS account under a different contract. AWS explicitly states inputs/outputs are not shared with model providers and are not used to train base models [1] And for OpenAI, there is a May 2025 preservation order in NYT v. OpenAI. The court is forcing OpenAI to retain ChatGPT output logs indefinitely, including ch…

I'm confused, your own #2 link says that Open AI is not bound to store output logs indefinitely going forward:

> Update on October 22, 2025:

> After months of litigation, we are no longer under a legal order to retain consumer ChatGPT and API content indefinitely. Our obligations under the earlier order ended on September 26, 2025.

> We’ve returned to our standard data retention practices :

> Deleted ChatGPT conversations and Temporary Chats will be automatically deleted from our systems within 30 days (opens in a new window).

> API data will also be automatically deleted after 30 days.

Re: OpenAI models coming to Amazon Bedrock: Interview with OpenAI and AWS CEOs

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Post by Grimblewald »

phillipcarter wrote: post #20
giancarlostoro wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're also not focused exclusively only on building an LLM, they have video and image generation too. Anthropic has one single focus, and this is why they are usually at the very top in the SWE benchmarks.

Isn't it the case that OpenAI and Anthropic regularly just swap for whoever is at the top of the latest benchmarks? They're also so close in scores that it's effectively a wash anyways. What OP is referring to is Anthropic aligning with corporate terms and conditions early, positioning themselves to be effectively resold by AWS rather than requiring orgs to procure them directly. This is huge in the enterprise world…

Isn't it an open secret that benchmarks are largly irrelevant at this point? Why else we do all have a personalized test battery for new models? That said i've stopped testing chatgpt entierly. Its still ok but is beaten by local models and it gets thrashed by non oai frontier providers. I get the history, but holding up oai outputs as equivallent is lile comparing yahoo to google post yahoo's collapse in search domains.

Oai language models are largly irrelevant at this point imo.

Re: OpenAI models coming to Amazon Bedrock: Interview with OpenAI and AWS CEOs

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Post by djtriptych »

phillipcarter wrote: post #20
giancarlostoro wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're also not focused exclusively only on building an LLM, they have video and image generation too. Anthropic has one single focus, and this is why they are usually at the very top in the SWE benchmarks.

Isn't it the case that OpenAI and Anthropic regularly just swap for whoever is at the top of the latest benchmarks? They're also so close in scores that it's effectively a wash anyways. What OP is referring to is Anthropic aligning with corporate terms and conditions early, positioning themselves to be effectively resold by AWS rather than requiring orgs to procure them directly. This is huge in the enterprise world…

OpenAI did teh same thing with Microsoft/Azure though.

Re: OpenAI models coming to Amazon Bedrock: Interview with OpenAI and AWS CEOs

#49

Post by consumer451 »

epistasis wrote: post #10

Claude got a looooot more buy in with a lot of privacy-concerned orgs I work with because they could access it through their "trusted" intermediate Amazon. OpenAI has been banned and is not trusted. I'm not sure that I agree with these orgs' legal teams' assessments, but they definitely read the terms of service far closer than I did. We will see if this changes the equation, but it feels like OpenAI is pretty far be…

Legally, SLA, and data concern-wise, is this any better than OpenAI on Azure? That has been around for a while.

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Post by DrewADesign »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #11
epistasis wrote: post #10

Claude got a looooot more buy in with a lot of privacy-concerned orgs I work with because they could access it through their "trusted" intermediate Amazon. OpenAI has been banned and is not trusted. I'm not sure that I agree with these orgs' legal teams' assessments, but they definitely read the terms of service far closer than I did. We will see if this changes the equation, but it feels like OpenAI is pretty far be…

They're also not focused exclusively only on building an LLM, they have video and image generation too. Anthropic has one single focus, and this is why they are usually at the very top in the SWE benchmarks.

Didn’t they say Sora will only be used to internally create training data? Integrated image generation seems more in the neat feature category than some fundamental advantage, but maybe someone has use cases I haven’t considered.
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