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Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by apparatur »

angott wrote: post #23
apparatur wrote: post #7

Next: macOS iCloud backups and the eventual deprecation of local Time Machine backups altogether. More services revenue!

I don’t think they’re going to drop support for local backups any time soon. There are lots of enterprise customers relying on Time Machine who will never switch to iCloud. TM can also be configured via MDM settings and is a really common solution for Mac IT administrators, so it would take ages to deprecate it.

"There are a lot of enterprise customers using Xcode server". And poof, it's gone and there's now only the Xcode cloud service. It would not take ages. It would take a single release which no longer supports it. Complaints? Keep using the old one or subscribe.

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Post by winocm »

stackskipton wrote: post #29
giantrobot wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time Machine support is also dropping support over SMB1 so whatever new solution needs to support SMB2/3.

SMB2 came out with Vista and SMB3 was Win8 so they are not new protocols either.

That just ended up inadvertently reminding me, Windows Vista is actually almost old enough to be at the minimum legal drinking age in the US.

Windows 8 is nearly a decade and a half old as well.

Time really does fly.

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Post by WorldPeas »

j16sdiz wrote: post #38
kstrauser wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can pull about 700MB/s off my NAS over a 10Gb link. I wouldn’t exactly call it slow.

I think SMB is quite chatty -- if you have lots of small files, you can get quite slow.

...and don't even get me started on locking, if many people write to one file you're on borrowed time

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Post by Melatonic »

giantrobot wrote: post #22
throw0101c wrote: post #13

Time Capsule has been unsupported since 2018 (last shipped 2013): * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirPort_Time_Capsule I think there's some population of folks that have been doing NAS TM backups over AFP, and they'll now have to switch to SMB.

Time Machine support is also dropping support over SMB1 so whatever new solution needs to support SMB2/3.

SMB1 has major security issues but even those ignored (which a lot of people on private home networks shouldn't be too worried about) it's also slow as hell on MacOS

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by ryandrake »

pvtmert wrote: post #2

Although TimeCapsule is more than decade old, it serves nicely with TimeMachine (automatic backups). Sad to see that going away permanently for Apple Silicon.

"Dropping support for things just because they are old" is typical commercial software behavior. I can run the latest Linux kernel and still have access to an internal floppy disk drive if I wanted to, yet billion dollar companies can't seem to manage to support 10 year old stuff.

I still am sore from when I "upgraded" macOS and suddenly support for my 1080i TV was gone. Yesterday it worked fine, today it's gone. All because they can't be bothered to maintain a code path.

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Post by Melatonic »

kstrauser wrote: post #32
shantara wrote: post #26

>Apple made SMB its primary file-sharing protocol in OS X 10.9 Mavericks, over 12 years ago… …and yet SMB support in macOS remains slow and buggy to this day. I tried all combinations of server-side settings and obscure plist tweaks to make SMB navigation and search work as fast as they do on my Linux machine out of box before giving up. It is very obviously not a priority for their services revenue, so there’s no in…

I can pull about 700MB/s off my NAS over a 10Gb link. I wouldn’t exactly call it slow.

In a corporate environment SMB3 on MacOS was lagging Windows and Linux big time (at least a few years ago when I tested).

How's the latest to your NAS? Are those single large files or many small files ?

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Post by sleepybrett »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #14
sleepybrett wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wasn't it capped at 3tb? is the drive swappable to something bigger? They discontinues them in 2018, the wifi in them is old, single disk (no raid).. better to just pick up a multidrive nas or use cloud backups. What we should be asking for is timemachine backends for cloud providers.

It's not "officially" supported, but iFixit has a guide for swapping the drive on a time capsule. I used mine with a 4TB drive for years with no trouble.

Sure, but still just a single drive.

My old trusty readynas should still work i think.. probalby. Supports smd for time machine and smb3 generally. If it doesn't I might finally be pushed onto a nas that isn't discontinued.

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Post by realityfactchex »

shantara wrote: post #26

>Apple made SMB its primary file-sharing protocol in OS X 10.9 Mavericks, over 12 years ago… …and yet SMB support in macOS remains slow and buggy to this day. I tried all combinations of server-side settings and obscure plist tweaks to make SMB navigation and search work as fast as they do on my Linux machine out of box before giving up. It is very obviously not a priority for their services revenue, so there’s no in…

> SMB support in macOS remains slow and buggy to this day. I tried all combinations of server-side settings and obscure plist tweaks to make SMB navigation and search work as fast as they do on my Linux machine out of box before giving up. It is very obviously not a priority for their services revenue

That's where my thoughts went, too. I can make SMB "better" but not "great" usually, but it's annoying to have to look up and apply, and still have things not optimal. Just in case, IIRC I find this the most useful:

  defaults read com.apple.desktopservices DSDontWriteNetworkStores
  defaults write com.apple.desktopservices DSDontWriteNetworkStores -bool TRUE
But surely some of the other tweaks that LLMs suggest may help, too.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by Melatonic »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #24

Ubiquiti is really taking up the slack in some areas Apple has abandoned. I bought a UNAS-2 (and a couple of 12 TB IronWolf Pro drives) a few months ago when the "time capsule will not be supported in a future version of macOS" warning first appeared. It has been outstanding alongside the rest of my UniFi setup, and perfectly supports Time Machine backups. The UniFi Identity macOS app means my family's computers alwa…

Have you tried it also working to backup files from Linux and windows machines ? Was hoping for a good mixed backup solution and I'm getting Ubiquiti would deliver here.

Also why the 12TB ironwolf drives specifically ? Personally I always was a fan of buying true enterprise (the ones designed for "online" or near line storage) but sometimes specific models and sizes of random drives do very well in Backblaze testing

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