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Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by baq »

retired wrote: post #5

Years ago I was making the case that instead of digging ourselves into the Amazon eco-system with S3 storage, EC2 instances, DynamoDB and various other Amazon specific cloud products... we should just host virtual machines and have everything in there using open source products. People looked at me like they saw water burning but that would have made the dependency on the US a lot easier to sever. Just move the VM's.

s3 is kinda hard to replace if you actually use it; the rest is manageable with varying levels of pain

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by mulmen »

BadBadJellyBean wrote: post #39
retired wrote: post #5

Years ago I was making the case that instead of digging ourselves into the Amazon eco-system with S3 storage, EC2 instances, DynamoDB and various other Amazon specific cloud products... we should just host virtual machines and have everything in there using open source products. People looked at me like they saw water burning but that would have made the dependency on the US a lot easier to sever. Just move the VM's.

I prefer not using managed services but I kind of understand the appeal. Instead of paying several engineers, that you have to vet first, to configure and maintain the services adjacent to your product you can just pay AWS or Azure or someone else to maintain the service. Then you can concentrate your whole manpower on your product. In case the service goes down you can blame someone else and maybe even recover some…

What you’re describing is outsourcing. It’s still possible with on-prem or cloud VMs. You just hire a contractor provide those services.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by croes »

tomschwiha wrote: post #30

The title is heavy clickbait. To say I just bought a Porsche when it was actually a Volkswagen is also wrong. Just because they belong to the same owner doesn't make it the same brand.

It’s actually the other way around. Porsche is a Volkswagen but a Volkswagen isn’t necessarily a Porsche.

VW bought Porsche

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

RobotToaster wrote: post #33
xfactorial wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole business model is around “Optimization through custom tools”. We can go with your idea, sure: a few months in, an Account Manager from the cloud provider shows up and says your bill could be reduced by 50% if you just adopt some changes, using their custom, super optimized tools (“minor changes” will be the mantra). And now you have your own company looking back to you on how can they get those savings, peo…

Do people actually take claims like that from glorified salesmen seriously? If a car salesman told me I could save 50% of my fuel bill from driving their special car a certain way I'd laugh at them.

You'd be wrong to laugh at them, because different cars of the same general size can indeed vary 50% or more in fuel efficiency. It's fair to be skeptical of promises of huge savings, and question why your counterparty would benefit from giving you those savings, but sometimes there's a good reason.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by janmarsal »

tcp_handshaker wrote: post #38
pier25 wrote: post #10

Wait... Lidl has a cloud service now?

Its terrible...just go and try to open an account...it broken from the start https://accounts.stackit.cloud/ui/login/user

You need to download the lidl+ app. great value

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by AndroTux »

croes wrote: post #43
tomschwiha wrote: post #30

The title is heavy clickbait. To say I just bought a Porsche when it was actually a Volkswagen is also wrong. Just because they belong to the same owner doesn't make it the same brand.

It’s actually the other way around. Porsche is a Volkswagen but a Volkswagen isn’t necessarily a Porsche. VW bought Porsche

Yes, that's what they're saying. LIDL doesn't have a cloud. The Schwarz Group does.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by PaulKeeble »

retired wrote: post #5

Years ago I was making the case that instead of digging ourselves into the Amazon eco-system with S3 storage, EC2 instances, DynamoDB and various other Amazon specific cloud products... we should just host virtual machines and have everything in there using open source products. People looked at me like they saw water burning but that would have made the dependency on the US a lot easier to sever. Just move the VM's.

There was a period when development and system adminstrators were really concerned about vendor lock in and would choose on the basis of the ease of moving to a different platform, Java and J2EE was clearly based on this mindset. I have always found it odd people have been willing to adopt AWS with no apparent easy route off given its price.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by martijnvds »

kodama-lens wrote: post #21
pier25 wrote: post #10

Wait... Lidl has a cloud service now?

Yeah, kind of. Lidl and Kaufland is owned by the Schwarz Group. They have been busy replicating the AWS orgin story. Their cloud is called StackIT. I've worked with them. Still some room to grow but a solid foundation. I like that competition is back on

Is it fully custom, or are they using a flavor of OpenStack or similar?
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