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At least 10 people tied to sensitive US research have died or disappeared

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Re: At least 10 people tied to sensitive US research have died or disappeared

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The NameUs US public database of around 26k longer term active missing person cases adds around 600 new names per month. It doesn't seem odd that a handful over years would share a narrow professional interest. But that number, 20 disappeared people per day, is gut wrenching. (US murders are at around 40 per day.) Surveillance sucks, but maybe at least it can be leveraged to find patterns when married to NameUs data.…

> Surveillance sucks, but

No.

Re: At least 10 people tied to sensitive US research have died or disappeared

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From what I’ve looked up, the range is actually quite broad from astrophysics to aerospace to administrative roles. Here are the individuals mentioned: * Michael David Hicks (JPL, comets/asteroids research) * Frank Maiwald (space research / JPL) * Monica Reza (aerospace engineer, JPL) * Nuno F.G. Loureiro (MIT, nuclear science and fusion) * Carl Grillmair (Caltech astrophysicist) * William Neil McCasland (Air Force,…

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Conspiracy theories are a natural way to try to make sense of a chaotic and confusing world where the government has shown a pattern of lying to its citizens. Unfortunately, the theories oversimplify, find patterns where they don’t exist, and almost always melt away when looked at critically (see the Michael Hastings commentary above).

The mistrust in the government is well founded, as Snowden, CIA secret operations in the Cold War, Abu Gharib, etc. have shown. But conspiracy theories fully embrace the nihilistic view that truth is unknowable, everything is evil, and other people have far more power than is actually realistic.

At some point it becomes a literal mental disease, and if you truly believe what you’ve written you should seek help. QAnon and pizzagate are creations of internet trolls on 8chan who lie to the vulnerable to gain their own little power.

Re: At least 10 people tied to sensitive US research have died or disappeared

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Michael Hastings was on DMT, smoking weed, and having a manic episode. His family was so worried about his erratic behavior that his brother had flown out to try to get him to check into rehab.. His brother met with Michael the day before he died and realized he was going to need more help, so he called his other brother to fly to LA to try to convince Michael to go to rehab or check into an inpatient psych ward. Mic…

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Go watch gangstalked people on YouTube. It is as close to 100% mental illness as you can get. They light holograms on fire. Find me one that doesn't look and act cuckoo and link it here.

Re: At least 10 people tied to sensitive US research have died or disappeared

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The critical thinking skills you need are that they were connected to nuclear research. UFO is a distraction. The purpose of the investigation is to determine whether the deaths are connected.

The critical thinking skills you need are the understanding that people die sometimes, and the question is how it compares to the normal rate of death among this population.

And not just rates, but also how they died and whether malicious actors were particularly likely to bother about disappearing them in ways which are actually really much harder to stage than happen naturally like disappearing someone trailwalking in mountains with friends, or whether someone so incompetent they were arrested on the retired professor's property a couple of months before he was shot and then caught still driving a car full of the victim's stuff after the murder was discovered is particularly likely to be part of a big cover up.

An disappearance of a retired major general without his personal possessions and someone committing suicide whilst due to testify in court, sure those things warrant an investigation even though those things happen as the result of mundane crime or mental breakdowns as well as conspiracy. But another thing entirely for the "nothing much to see in those Epstein files" FBI to spin the grand narrative that connecting all these dots is a legitimate question because UFOlogists on YouTube.

Re: At least 10 people tied to sensitive US research have died or disappeared

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Color me skeptical. Whenever I see this come up in a social media feed it's a UFO influencer. It's leaked out into the legacy news presenters who have great haircuts and no critical thinking skills.

Maybe he wants to frame it as the scientists being abduced by aliens. We now know that the whole UFO narrative of the 90s was a government psy ops to distract people from stealth fighter testing and dismiss the sightings as 'aliens'.

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Same legacy news presenters which have a track record of pushing UFO conspiracy theories? CNN was one of the biggest pushers of this hoax: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_drone_sight...

> The FBI now says it “is spearheading the effort to look for connections into the missing and deceased scientists,” adding that it “is working with the Department of Energy, Department of War, and with our state … and local law enforcement partners to find answers.” > Separately, the Republican-led House Oversight Committee announced Monday it will investigate ... So, do we not want the news reporting what the gover…

You can report these stories without sanewashing.

Re: At least 10 people tied to sensitive US research have died or disappeared

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I see this at there's no credible connection at this time, but these individuals have knowledge of technical details on projects and technologies that they don't want in the hands of an adversary. So they're trying to rule out a kidnapping by another power not trying to find them.

Re: At least 10 people tied to sensitive US research have died or disappeared

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The NameUs US public database of around 26k longer term active missing person cases adds around 600 new names per month. It doesn't seem odd that a handful over years would share a narrow professional interest. But that number, 20 disappeared people per day, is gut wrenching. (US murders are at around 40 per day.) Surveillance sucks, but maybe at least it can be leveraged to find patterns when married to NameUs data.…

I’d slightly disagree, the profile of people who go missing is as important as a random chance there is a coincidence. Former military officers, high-level scientists. These individuals have training, money, and live in areas where this tends not to happen.

A disappearance of someone from the above background, vs someone who is say in midwest rural America or near areas where human trafficking crimes occur at a higher rate than normal, matters.

Further, their research/knowledge of sensitive government material also implies they likely have some form of overwatch or at least minimal monitoring for foreign agent threats from our government (or had in the past). Its not uncommon for high ranking military officials to have some form of training in counter surveillance tradecraft for this exact reason.

The odds these events are due to a foreign adversary given the multiple wars and geopolitical tensions are not negligible

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