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Why has there been so little progress on Alzheimer's disease?

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Re: Why has there been so little progress on Alzheimer's disease?

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I'm not saying I'm the best informed on this topic, but I thought the root cause has been known for a long time now as degraded endocrine and cardiovascular function. That's also why Alzheimer's can take so long to develop. It's just one aspect that we've chosen to focus on because it's more clearly noticeable, but it cannot easily be treated in isolation from everything else. If it was, it would regress quickly with…

There is no single root cause. Many scientists have preferred to ignore this fact and that has been a serious problem. Everyone likes a simple story. Age-related diseases are not simple stories.

Re: Why has there been so little progress on Alzheimer's disease?

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https://www.statnews.com/2019/06/25/alzheimers-cabal-thwarte...

"Despite being described as a “cabal,” the amyloid camp was neither organized nor nefarious. Those who championed the amyloid hypothesis truly believed it, and thought that focusing money and attention on it rather than competing ideas was the surest way to an effective drug.

It has not worked out that way. Research focused on amyloid, and the development and testing of experimental drugs targeting it, have sucked up billions of dollars in government, foundation, and pharma funding with nothing to show for it. While targeting amyloid may or may not be necessary to treat Alzheimer’s, it is not sufficient, and the additional steps almost certainly include those that were ignored, even censored. Probably the most shattering turn came in March, when Biogen halted the study of what proponents called the most promising Alzheimer’s drug in years — an amyloid-targeting antibody."

I still refer to this article seven years later. Groupthink in the medical research space sets back progress by decades. And it's not just Alzheimers. The FDA's approval process is stymied by a CYA culture that fails to adopt the risk profile it needs to in order to potentially save large contingents of sick and dying.

Re: Why has there been so little progress on Alzheimer's disease?

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Type-3 diabetes? It's degraded endocrine and cardiovascular functionality. Basically, your enzymes stop producing -- things like testosterone and insulin. Your lungs stop working as efficiently, and your brain just gives out. If you're looking to beat type-3 diabetes, you need to have a daily routine of exercise while you're young to keep these systems in shape when you're old. You also don't need to belong to any ma…

Alzheimer’s is a good example of a disease where we don’t have great scientific understanding on the underlying causes, but that doesn’t stop individuals from believing they understand it better than the scientists.

True dat. But most of Europe calls it type-3 diabetes, because of the reasons given.

Re: Why has there been so little progress on Alzheimer's disease?

#44
...because Alzheimer is a dormant side effect of a virus, not of a messenger chemical. But that doesn't go well in studies and "self populism" of what funded research wanted to hear.

If you study effects and not causes due to lack of measurements for reproducibility in any field of research, that's what comes out.

Also check out how the new and promising correlation started by observing the Wales eligibility for mandatory shingles vaccination during an outbreak and the effect on that test group when it comes to alzheimer or dementia in their old age.

Note that shingles (herpes zoster) virus is a dormant virus for decades, and it's not really treated because of that.

Also note that this was only discovered because people died and their data set was publicized because of that, which I hope that can happen in an anonymous way due to it being invaluable for medical research.

[1] https://www.alzheimer-europe.org/news/analysis-electronic-he...

[2] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11485228/

[3] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S009286742...

[4] https://www.alzforum.org/news/research-news/shingles-vaccine...

Re: Why has there been so little progress on Alzheimer's disease?

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Type-3 diabetes? It's degraded endocrine and cardiovascular functionality. Basically, your enzymes stop producing -- things like testosterone and insulin. Your lungs stop working as efficiently, and your brain just gives out. If you're looking to beat type-3 diabetes, you need to have a daily routine of exercise while you're young to keep these systems in shape when you're old. You also don't need to belong to any ma…

Alzheimer’s is a good example of a disease where we don’t have great scientific understanding on the underlying causes, but that doesn’t stop individuals from believing they understand it better than the scientists.

Actual Scientists are calling it Type-3. But these are the same scientists that are actually reversing Type 2 diabetes without expensive drugs. Of course they exist outside the pharma narrative, and they don't have any uncurious attack dogs willing to defend their narrative-busting results.

Re: Why has there been so little progress on Alzheimer's disease?

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Type-3 diabetes? It's degraded endocrine and cardiovascular functionality. Basically, your enzymes stop producing -- things like testosterone and insulin. Your lungs stop working as efficiently, and your brain just gives out. If you're looking to beat type-3 diabetes, you need to have a daily routine of exercise while you're young to keep these systems in shape when you're old. You also don't need to belong to any ma…

Are recurrent childhood neglect and abuse events not an antecedent to mental health morbidity in adulthood, which then creates missed opportunities for growth and necessitates and the need for the use of medications? I think you’re making a giant leap from A to Z and missing a whole bunch in between.

All I know is that people with higher ACE scores have higher dementia rates. And that higher ACE scores are linked with heart failure, lung failure, and kidney failure.

Stress ages the body. Homeless people can age several years, being on the streets for just a few months.

I've also seen numerous people in these upbringings die in their 50s and 60s from kidney failure. My stepdad was one of them. My father too.

My father had a normal childhood, except he had a traumatic experience of shooting his twin brother while they were playing cowboys and indians. Spent his entire life blaming himself. Went through all the normal development phases. Not on any meds.

His body just started shutting down prematurely. It's common in people with those experiences. First, his breathing got bad. Then his kidneys. Then he started having heart problems.

And that's the pattern. Heart, lungs, kidneys. Which are all linked to the brain. And eventually lead to dementia-like symptoms. At least that's what the research on ACEs seems to point out.

Re: Why has there been so little progress on Alzheimer's disease?

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Its done substantially better than more common diseases like ME/CFS which very few have even heard of let alone know the symptoms of and receives almost no funding at all. Alzheimer's received a further $100 million of NIH funding earlier this year ( https://www.alz.org/news/2026/100-million-dollar-alzheimers-... ). That is 6 times the total funding for ME/CFS federally which is currently just 15 million and planned…

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Re: Why has there been so little progress on Alzheimer's disease?

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I have a kind of outlandish hypothesis that needs more research before it can be taken seriously, but it basically says that the cause and effect are backwards. Mental atrophy due to less learning/thinking, isolation, loss of meaning and purpose happens first. The sleep down regulation and decay of mental circuitry comes after. Would explain why treating the physical symptoms doesn't work.

Protective against the problem is anything which keeps you mentally active, such as socialization, work, religious community participation, hobbies, and meditation. Retirement, death of partner, isolation, sleep deprivation, depression, dissociation, psychosis, medications/drugs which interfere with restful sleep increase risk.

A possible falsification of this hypothesis would be if it's caused by inactivity or physical self neglect, as those often go hand in hand with the correlated and anti-correlated factors mentioned above.

This is particularly interesting:

> Intriguingly, studies show conscientiousness and neuroticism to be associated with Alzheimer’s disease and related dementias but not with their pathologic hallmarks such as plaques, tangles, infarcts or Lewy bodies in the brain.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7484344/

Re: Why has there been so little progress on Alzheimer's disease?

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Type-3 diabetes? It's degraded endocrine and cardiovascular functionality. Basically, your enzymes stop producing -- things like testosterone and insulin. Your lungs stop working as efficiently, and your brain just gives out. If you're looking to beat type-3 diabetes, you need to have a daily routine of exercise while you're young to keep these systems in shape when you're old. You also don't need to belong to any ma…

Are recurrent childhood neglect and abuse events not an antecedent to mental health morbidity in adulthood, which then creates missed opportunities for growth and necessitates and the need for the use of medications? I think you’re making a giant leap from A to Z and missing a whole bunch in between.

And the pattern holds in people who suffer excessive bullying, societal excommunication or exile, domestic violence, or social stigma.

Marginalized people have a high death rate in their 50s and 60s, because of societal bullshit -- no other factors needed.

Re: Why has there been so little progress on Alzheimer's disease?

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I have a kind of outlandish hypothesis that needs more research before it can be taken seriously, but it basically says that the cause and effect are backwards. Mental atrophy due to less learning/thinking, isolation, loss of meaning and purpose happens first. The sleep down regulation and decay of mental circuitry comes after. Would explain why treating the physical symptoms doesn't work. Protective against the prob…

> Mental atrophy due to less learning/thinking, isolation, loss of meaning and purpose happens first.

Except early onset Alzheimers happens and it also happens to plenty of people for which none of those are true.

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